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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34316

    A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

    No need to put up journo's so called expert opinions Essendon 'won trade week' and were given an A+.

    So last year they finished 7th. Expecting an aggressive climb up the ladder they threw an entire draft (virtually) on the trade table. If they won it so well, surely they wouldn't have fallen to 11 or 12 at year's end which they will do. So some numbers:

    Stringer: 19 games, averging 14.8 disposals, 3.8 marks, 1.6 goals, .8 behinds, 2.6 tackles
    Saad: 21 games, averging 17.1 disposals, 2.4 marks, .3 goals, 2.5 tackles, 3.4 R50's
    Smith: 21 games, averaging 21.7 disposals, 3.7 marks, .8 goals, .7 behinds, 8,3 tackles, 3.2 Clearnces

    These aren't overwhelming numbers, the exception some of parts of Smith stats aside. These are all mature players who've done the development at other clubs and were ready to the full impact of the ability/desire. This ain't good for them. To get this Luke warm injection into their falling down the ladder team, they gave up everything of value from a draft picks perspective not having picks to until 49, 66 & 76. Plus they've given up a second rounder this year to GCS. There's also a future trade this year of GWS 2nd to their 3rd, but because there's not much of a gap potentially, that's not the big or even moderate win they would've hoped for.

    Now they have a huge gap in the list, much like we did when we started throwing away lots of picks in early 2000's. This looks every bit as bad Rawlings, Koops, Streeet etc. and how they manage it will be interesting.

    To contrast:

    GCS will get about pick 29/30 this year. Not a bad result, considering the money offer.
    GWS picked up Aiden Bonnar at pick 11. A great result.
    Dogs used their two picks (very loosely speaking - 25 & 30 to 25 & 40) to grab Schache. A great result.


    I'd love the media to look at their grades again. It might have 'felt' like they 'won', and were worthy of an 'A+'. But their members sense of 'winning' aside, this isn't looking the goods when you look at who they could've picked up last year and this year at the picks. At best this is a solid D-.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
  • Twodogs
    Administrator
    • Nov 2006
    • 27645

    #2
    Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

    Yep, well done Dodo. Big pat on the back for advantaging your club so well.

    And thanks for Scasche. We love having big Josh at the club.
    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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    • Sedat
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2007
      • 11046

      #3
      Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

      How can it be anything other than a massive failure to go backwards after throwing the farm at mature recruits? Worse than Port, who are getting hammered for their similar strategy last year.
      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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      • Twodogs
        Administrator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27645

        #4
        Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

        Originally posted by Sedat
        How can it be anything other than a massive failure to go backwards after throwing the farm at mature recruits? Worse than Port, who are getting hammered for their similar strategy last year.

        Port have never won trade week. Everythimg is cool at Essendon becauee they constantly win trade week. The fact Devon Smith is going to romp their B&F in isn't an indictment on the players who were already there. It just shows how far they won trade week by.

        In fact I read in the H-S the other day the fact Smith is going to win the B&F just goes to show what a sound strategy pissing away your draft picks for players from other clubs is and it proves they should do it again this year.
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • Bulldog Joe
          Premiership Moderator
          • Jul 2009
          • 5434

          #5
          Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

          Essendon need to win Trade Week, because they can't win finals.
          Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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          • bulldogtragic
            The List Manager
            • Jan 2007
            • 34316

            #6
            Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

            Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
            Essendon need to win Trade Week, because they can't win finals.
            True and true. I wonder if there's a deeper truth to what you say. They're in a financial hard patch, I wonder if winning Stringer, Smith & Saad sells more memberships than bringing in (which they could've) Bonnar, Schache & pick 29/30 this year (around say Buku Khamis might go)? Assuming it does make them more immediate cash to win trade week, surely the longer term needs of the list come into stronger consideration? They've missed a lot of young talent with this throw everything at recycled players strategy and will have a hole going ahead. Or maybe they don't consider talent as much as trying to placate members into signing up.

            * Incidentally, if they kept their 11 and used it on Richards, used their second and a pick from say Francis who asked for a trade, they could've got Schache and not the deeply problematic Stringer. And they could've used 29/30 this year on a bid for Khamis. So they could have Richards, Schache & Khamis in their talent profile in another strategy. But they don't. They're in our club's talent profile. I'm happy to lose if this is losing.
            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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            • Happy Days
              Hall of Fame
              • May 2008
              • 10015

              #7
              Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

              Originally posted by Sedat
              How can it be anything other than a massive failure to go backwards after throwing the farm at mature recruits? Worse than Port, who are getting hammered for their similar strategy last year.
              They were missing Daniher so it doesn't count.

              I for one am really excited for 2019 when Hooker and Stringer will definitely break out as forward and midfielders respectively.
              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 65597

                #8
                Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                The three S, all average footballers at best. I said that from day one.
                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • EasternWest
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 9925

                  #9
                  Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  The three S, all average footballers at best. I said that from day one.
                  Bit harsh. They're pretty good players, just not the salvation they've been crowed as.

                  And Stringer could still be anything, really. Evidence suggests he won't get near his potential, but at the moment he still has time on his side.
                  "It's over. It's all over."

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 65597

                    #10
                    Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                    Originally posted by EasternWest
                    Bit harsh. They're pretty good players, just not the salvation they've been crowed as.

                    And Stringer could still be anything, really. Evidence suggests he won't get near his potential, but at the moment he still has time on his side.
                    Not harsh at all. The stats also prove it.

                    Devon Smith, an average mid that couldn't make it at GWS and has shown little over the last year - a dime a dozen mid. Needs to be getting 30 disposals a week.

                    Saad - Plays off half back, dashes around and can't defend.

                    Stringer - since the middle of 2016, can't get a kick. His finals in 2016 were very poor and this season, well what can I say.
                    FFC: Established 1883

                    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                    • Rocket Science
                      Coaching Staff
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 4842

                      #11
                      Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                      Originally posted by Twodogs
                      Yep, well done Dodo. Big pat on the back for advantaging your club so well.
                      BORDERLINE FLYING

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                      • bulldogtragic
                        The List Manager
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 34316

                        #12
                        Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                        My new favourite.
                        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                        • Twodogs
                          Administrator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 27645

                          #13
                          Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                          Originally posted by EasternWest
                          Bit harsh. They're pretty good players, just not the salvation they've been crowed as.

                          And Stringer could still be anything, really. Evidence suggests he won't get near his potential, but at the moment he still has time on his side.

                          I think that the bus has left the land of potentially legendary AFL footballers and Jake wasn't on it. He's too far behind the 8-ball to make his body into a weapon like Ablett or even Brad Johnson did. A few years ago they were comparing (and not undeservedly) to GAS saying that he was tracking the right way to emulate some of Ablett's feats and game style and a similiar career wasn't out if the question.

                          Can you see Jake ever getting to that stage again? Where people will be calling him the new Ablett? I can't, I just don't think he has it in him. My view is he will probably sign one more contract at Essendon an then maybe squeeze a couple more years out of bottom clubs or play local footy for a motza like Fev.

                          And trying to rise above club loyaltys and all the rest out of it that's just a tragedy for us, for footy and for Jake. A fit, firing and confident Jake Stringer is an excitement machine but there is just something in Jake that won't give that side of himself a sustained go.
                          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                          • comrade
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 17836

                            #14
                            Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                            Originally posted by Rocket Science
                            Post on Twitter and tag a few footy journos like Sammy Landsberger & Daniel Cherny. It will go viral quickly
                            Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                            • G-Mo77
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9873

                              #15
                              Re: A Retrospect: Essendon Won 2017 Trade Week, They Score A+ ...

                              In all honesty I've been pretty impressed with what I've seen of Smith recently and I despise the little turd. Out of the 3 I thought Saad will be their best but it's Smith by a country mile. Jake is Jake, I wasn't expecting much more than that.

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