Rating The Draft 2018

[Twodogs]

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We've been clever during a draft period! Another thing to cross off my bucket list, beat Collingwood, win a premiership, go to war and fight in the streets in order to save the club, actually have a plan (and prosecute it) during a trade/draft period.


I can die a happy man.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Good work by Sam Power and staff at the draft. Some sensible use of the rules to ensure we got what we needed at a fair price whilst retaining flexibility to maximise opportunity for other selections, plus an extra pick for next year's war chest.

[Go_Dogs]

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Agree with GS we had a clear plan for the type and character we wanted to add.

We got 2 elite players in Smith and West, one with plenty of development in him but a good athletic base, and a couple of hard working mature age players who fit our age profile. I'm happy with Cavarra as a small forward. I don't see a lot of VFL so don't know a huge amount about Hayes other than what I read on here, but happy to give him a chance given he's been so consistent for a period of time.

We are also well positioned for next year with a number of mid range picks/points.

[GVGjr]

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I think we did pretty well but we passed on some very good players at our selections for what I think were players with predetermined specific traits or skills. I'd be interested if we have changed our approach to the players we pick up a bit later in the draft process although that but of intel is unlikely to be shared.

Overall I'm think we turned the list over in the right manner and now I'm very much look forward to seeing where we will likely play both Smith and West next year.

[Go_Dogs]

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I think we did pretty well but we passed on some very good players at our selections for what I think were players with predetermined specific traits or skills. I'd be interested if we have changed our approach to the players we pick up a bit later in the draft process although that but of intel is unlikely to be shared.

Overall I'm think we turned the list over in the right manner and now I'm very much look forward to seeing where we will likely play both Smith and West next year.

We passed over some high ceiling 18 year olds. I would’ve liked us to nab Taylor, he’s got a huge amount of potential. A few other well credentialed juniors were also passed over. It’s definitely a change in our approach with the type of player we selected late from my read of it.

[choconmientay]

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Chris D rated the draft.

We got an A+ from him. He rated Smith(3) and West(12) highly. He mentioned Buku as Cat.B rookie in his post.

[Sedat]

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Chris D rated the draft.

We got an A+ from him. He rated Smith(3) and West(12) highly. He mentioned Buku as Cat.B rookie in his post.

Nice that someone has bothered to do so in the meeedya - all the others are too busy fapping themselves over Essendon 'stealing' Mosquito.

[Doc26]

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We passed over some high ceiling 18 year olds. I would’ve liked us to nab Taylor, he’s got a huge amount of potential. A few other well credentialed juniors were also passed over. It’s definitely a change in our approach with the type of player we selected late from my read of it.

Unsure why Curtis slid out so far. Would like some insight here. I thought based on need that he would’ve been a steal with our pick 37.

The Club (and others) obviously didn’t rate him so highly as touted as we had 3 chances to pick him up at our 35, 45 or 46 before giving him to North with our 46.

I hope this one doesn’t bite us as effective goal kicking forwards have been somewhat elusive to us in recent times.

[Bornadog]

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Chris D rated the draft.

We got an A+ from him. He rated Smith(3) and West(12) highly. He mentioned Buku as Cat.B rookie in his post.

The Dogs substantially upgraded the club's midfield in adding arguably the best midfielder in the pool in Bailey Smith, who possesses the best combination of contested ball winning, general skills and acceleration of this crop. Rhylee West (son of Scott) was a bargain and may be the best stoppage player picked outside the first round.
With the club's other selections, the Dogs went with a speed, taking one overager in Laitham Vandermeer and two mature agers in forward Ben Cavarra and outside midfielder/defender Will Hayes. Buku Khamis slipping through to the Dogs as a Category B rookie is another win. In the rookie draft, the Dogs added a hard edge with Jordon Sweet -- an aggressive mature age ruckman -- while Lachlan Young is a physical rebounding defender.
Grade: A+

[hujsh]

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Nice that someone has bothered to do so in the meeedya - all the others are too busy fapping themselves over Essendon 'stealing' Mosquito.

Yet Hawthorn evidently didn't rate him as worth anywhere near that and I suspect the same people would talk up how great Hawthorn are at...everything

[GVGjr]

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I think a lot of us who follow the junior players prior to the draft might have been a touch underwhelmed by some of our selections.
We look at the list, identify the gaps and then look for players that might be available around our selections

So I think most of us would have thought a key forward/ruckman might have been a good selection for us and probably a key defender and a small forward plus of course knowing we had Smith and West right in the mix with early selections to address some midfield quality and depth.

We had these on the wish list because Redpath, Roughead and Campbell were gone from a key forward and ruckman perspective, we lost Dahlhaus as a midfielder and small forward and we lost Adams and Collins as key defenders. I think we were also a couple of genuine midfielders light this year as well.
Having picked up Lloyd and Duryea it sort of offset the loss of Clay Smith and Biggs but we still had some gaps to address

The club seems to have placed a premium on players with great attitudes this year which is of course always important but we probably found it even more necessary this year after a couple of lean seasons with a few distracted players.

So we landed Smith and West which will address our midfield talent and depth, we then landed a pacy mid sized defender in Vandermeer which was a bit of a surprise to me to have him selected so early particularly in a spot we have some depth in, then it was Ben Cavarra who might have also been selected a bit earlier than ideal and we finished off the night by adding Will Hayes to the senior list when maybe a rookie spot might have been a better option.

Please don't take that as a knock on the players or the clubs approach but we did pass up some talented players to grab the guys we did.

We also traded some picks which indicated we were working off a pre determined list of players.

With Fremantle we traded picks 30 and 57 and received picks 34 and and 41 which looks decent on paper but I think in the process we overlooked a few players that might have addressed some gaps in the playing list

Pick 30 became pick 32 and Fremantle nabbed Luke Valente with it who is highly regarded for his leadership and can play a few positions.
The pick 34 we received from Fremantle became pick 37 and we used that on Vandermeer. In between those picks Briggs a ruckman, Williams a forward/ruckman and Berry who I think we were interested in were selected by other clubs
Briggs would probably have been matched by GWS and maybe we didn't rate Williams but either one of them would have addressed gaps in the list. There was also the likes of Bytel, Taylor, McFadyen, Koschitzke and Woodcock available.

After selecting both Vandermeer (37) and Cavarra (45) we traded pick 46 to North for a pick in the 3rd round next year which is a sign that best available was not our focus and we intended on using our last pick on Hayes. North promptly used that on Curtis Taylor.

We can't knock the players we selected and all of them come to us with first rate attitudes and I'm confident they will be fully focused but I think the notion of addressing gaps in the playing list was superseded somewhat by the need to get players with very specific traits and attitude.

I think we did well and it's now up to the club to develop the players to be their best.

[jazzadogs]

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Pick 30 became pick 32 and Fremantle nabbed Luke Valente with it who is highly regarded for his leadership and can play a few positions.
The pick 34 we received from Fremantle became pick 37 and we used that on Vandermeer. In between those picks Briggs a ruckman, Williams a forward/ruckman and Berry who I think we were interested in were selected by other clubs
Briggs would probably have been matched by GWS and maybe we didn't rate Williams but either one of them would have addressed gaps in the list. There was also the likes of Bytel, Taylor, McFadyen, Koschitzke and Woodcock available.

After selecting both Vandermeer (37) and Cavarra (45) we traded pick 46 to North for a pick in the 3rd round next year which is a sign that best available was not our focus and we intended on using our last pick on Hayes. North promptly used that on Curtis Taylor.

Thanks for the insights G. Re: the first trade, we were never going to use 30 (our original Dahlhaus pick 27) anyway as it was going to be spent on West so there is no point looking at the players in that range unless you would have preferred them to Rhylee.

As far as i can tell, we basically traded 30 and 57 for 34 and 41, maintaining our original 32 which by that point was 35. The new pick from Freo (34) was used to get West. This left us with our original 32 (which became 37) and a 16 spot upgrade from 57 to 41 which allowed us to get Cavarra.

If we hadn't made the trade, we would have used 30 on West, 37 on Vandermeer and fingers crossed for Cavarra at 56. We just increased our chances at getting Cavarra for no loss.

[bulldogtragic]

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Thanks for the insights G. Re: the first trade, we were never going to use 30 (our original Dahlhaus pick 27) anyway as it was going to be spent on West so there is no point looking at the players in that range unless you would have preferred them to Rhylee.

As far as i can tell, we basically traded 30 and 57 for 34 and 41, maintaining our original 32 which by that point was 35. The new pick from Freo (34) was used to get West. This left us with our original 32 (which became 37) and a 16 spot upgrade from 57 to 41 which allowed us to get Cavarra.

If we hadn't made the trade, we would have used 30 on West, 37 on Vandermeer and fingers crossed for Cavarra at 56. We just increased our chances at getting Cavarra for no loss.

Yep, bang on Jazza. The only way to get another top 20's player (before the West bid at 26) would've been to trade into pick 24 at Adelaide from Pick 30. GWS paid a 2019 second rounder to get it off Adelaide. Which we would've had to match, which is a very big call (we didn't have St Kilda's 3rd at that point). The choice to hang back, trade to Pick 34 and get that 16 pick upgrade for free also helped up trade our then Pick 46 to North to get St Kilda's 3rd rounder.

Hypothetical Option 1: In: Pick 24 - Out: Pick 30, 2019 2nd Rounder.
Actual Option 2: In: Picks 34 & 41/46, 2019 3rd St Kilda - Out: Pick 30, 41/46 & 57 (getting rid/lowest pick of the last pick was going to happen if Khamis was still on the board)

So the 30's trades meant nothing as the excess points would've been burned anyway. We turned pick 57 into a 3rd rounder off the Saints, maybe pick 40 next year. A big win. The question is whether the player at Pick 24 was so good that we would've been prepared to get a six pick upgrade, meaning to hand back Pick 30, miss Vandeermeer and forego our 2nd rounder next year. I don't know the talent pool enough to comment.

I still think we played a near perfect hand, and I think it's been a resounding win for us. ESPN giving us an A+ is reflective of what thinking people think about our hands, rather than 'stealing Mosquito from Hawthorn blah blah blah' newspaper nonsense. I'm not too sure what more we could've done to get a better outcome.

[ledge]

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To be fair you can’t really rate a draft until they have played a couple of years at least . We should be rating the 2015 draft now .
We are speculating to rate a draft the next day.

[Mofra]

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Chris D rated the draft.

We got an A+ from him. He rated Smith(3) and West(12) highly. He mentioned Buku as Cat.B rookie in his post.

In fairness, he's totally in love with Smith and has said consistently he'd take him above Sam Walsh.
Primarily, his burst ability translates better to an AFL transition than Walsh who doesn't have burst ability (in fairness, neither does the Bont or Cripps).

It may be a minor thing, but Smith spent 2017 as a HBFer so has a developed defensive side to his game which may also help him transition faster. Plus he's the most fastidious player in the draft.

As for West, there is absolutely no mix up at the hospital that's for sure. He has the quickest hands of any u18 who played at the champs and his dad's attitude towards contested ball. The fact we managed to trade down then snag an extra 2019 third rounder but still get the three we really targeted (Smith, West & Khamis) is a solid first outing for Power.

I really liked Curtis Taylor though, thought he was basically Rozee but without the quick pace. Seems clever but unlikely to transition to the midfield at AFL level but not every player has to. I guess every player we took is quick (not sure about Sweet) and West aside they're excellent ball users so we're clearly targetting a type.