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  • comrade
    Hall of Fame
    • Jun 2008
    • 17847

    #16
    Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

    Originally posted by mjp
    Lost in the 19year old debate is this critical point raised by Bevo:

    “There also needs to be a negotiation into private schools for them to play their games in the week, rather than on the weekend, so these junior clubs can continue to get access to their young boys and girls and make sure they stabilise the junior teams, clubs and those programs.”

    I mean - is there any actual DANGER we could get the best players playing against each other a little more regularly? The private schools are completely out of control with their sporting programs...completely. The suggestion of playing mid-week though? I'm not sure that's a great plan...do we really want elite juniors playing 30+ games of footy in their draft year and doubling up every week? That sounds like a recipe for disaster...or at least a recipe for stress fractures and OP.
    What sort of schedule do you think would work best that allows for both private school footy and more NAB League/elite pathway footy? Bring the school footy season ahead/push the elite comp back, so it flows from one into another?
    Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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    • mjp
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7249

      #17
      Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

      Originally posted by comrade
      What sort of schedule do you think would work best that allows for both private school footy and more NAB League/elite pathway footy? Bring the school footy season ahead/push the elite comp back, so it flows from one into another?
      I'm pretty sure you don't want my answer on that question.

      If there was to be a compromise - and I don't think that is possible as things stand right now - there would need to be a schools system conducted outside of the current Term 2+ Term 3 'window'. The challenge is, to enable selection in the champs state level programs need to be up and running 'EARLY' - this year for example WA colts would have commenced 2-weeks prior to seniors to support this...it would have also enabled private schools (PSA over here) to participate in up to 6 games prior to the school footy season commencing...that would have been 'something'.

      But when in 2019 you have players who are selected to play LEAGUE state level footy running out to play in their school's first 18 instead - there really is something wrong. And it isn't about development of players - it is about winning games for the old boys and that just isn't right.
      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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      • comrade
        Hall of Fame
        • Jun 2008
        • 17847

        #18
        Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

        Originally posted by mjp
        But when in 2019 you have players who are selected to play LEAGUE state level footy running out to play in their school's first 18 instead - there really is something wrong. And it isn't about development of players - it is about winning games for the old boys and that just isn't right.
        It's also earning your scholarship money, too.
        Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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        • Twodogs
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 27638

          #19
          Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

          But when in 2019 you have players who are selected to play LEAGUE state level footy running out to play in their school's first 18 instead - there really is something wrong. And it isn't about development of players - it is about winning games for the old boys and that just isn't right.
          Apart from anything else it does the actual kid no good to be turning out twice a week. It's no longer the 1970s where it "did them a bit of good" to be abused and used.

          It toughened them up!
          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 65631

            #20
            Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

            FFC: Established 1883

            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 43925

              #21
              Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

              To add some clarity, this is what he said

              ON WHAT THE DRAFT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS YEAR …

              "I'm very confident that the draft will go ahead. Clearly, there's a possibility that it will be in a different form. But we will need a draft. The draft age is being discussed by working groups. I know there are various views on all of that, but one thing I've heard in the last 24 hours from various people around football – and, again, this is trying to help without being definitive – is that the best 18-year-old kids are walking straight into very good teams and are having an impact straightaway. People are looking for the whole draft class to be more mature, but they certainly don't want to have less access to the best 18-year-olds. Hopefully that gives you a level of direction."

              While I agree with the highlighted section he is missing the obvious point that most of the players coming in and are having an impact straight away in the AFL have typically played a full season in the NAB or State competitions and that won't be the case this year

              I'm sure there will be a draft this year but I'm not sure it will be anything like previous years especially if playing lists are capped at 35
              Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • Axe Man
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 10906

                #22
                Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

                ‘I’m why the draft age should be 20’: Former top 10 pick Daniel Gorringe’s harsh self-sledge

                You certainly can’t say that Daniel Gorringe has too high an opinion of himself.
                The former AFL top ten draft pick believes the draft age needs to be raised to 20 - and he thinks he’s proof of that.

                The 200cm Gorringe was picked tenth in the 2010 draft by Gold Coast - one pick before Tom Lynch, and directly behind Josh Caddy, Dyson Heppell and Dion Prestia.

                Always prone to a joke on social media, Gorringe leapt into the ongoing AFL draft age debate - with some experts calling for the age to be raised above 18 - with typical self-deprecation.

                “Let me be the example of why the minimum draft age should be 20,” he tweeted.

                “The Suns just guessed that because I played a good 5 games, was tall and had potential I was going to be a superstar.

                “I knew I was going to be terrible. Give recruiters 2 extra years so they don’t draft Gorringes.”

                Gorringe played 26 career games, 22 of them in five seasons at Gold Coast, then another four at Carlton before being delisted in 2017.

                He is believed to be a contestant on the upcoming season of Big Brother, which has already been filmed.

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34316

                  #23
                  Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

                  I hope that sticks, 'Gorringes' as a descriptor for bad draft choices.

                  I.E. When Dalrymple had his first draft, his first two picks were a couple of Gorringes.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • Twodogs
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 27638

                    #24
                    Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

                    Interesting fact. Gorringe (an old English word meaning spear) is the only English word that rhymes with orange.
                    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                    • Mofra
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 14806

                      #25
                      Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

                      Originally posted by Twodogs
                      Interesting fact. Gorringe (an old English word meaning spear) is the only English word that rhymes with orange.
                      'Gullible' rhymes with 'orange' if you say it really slowly
                      Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                      • Twodogs
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27638

                        #26
                        Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

                        Originally posted by Mofra
                        'Gullible' rhymes with 'orange' if you say it really slowly
                        Hmmm, Gull-a-bill...
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 65631

                          #27
                          Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

                          Originally posted by Twodogs
                          Hmmm, Gull-a-bull...
                          Correction made
                          FFC: Established 1883

                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • Twodogs
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27638

                            #28
                            Re: 2020 draft could be posponed

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            Correction made
                            You're gull-a-bull
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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