Schache’s 2022 role, impact on List Management

[bulldogtragic]

I think we need 4 ready to go KPDs & KPFs. Leaving Josh out for a moment.

KPD: Keath, Gardner, Cordy

KPF: Naughton, Jamarra (2nd year), Darcy (unlikely to impact), English forward if we have a fit ruck


So we are short one KPD & one KPF. Schache has shown some very promising signs as a KPD but in the last three weeks he looks more than capable of being good ‘Bruce Insurance’. So where he plays depends on the needs. Bevo & Power will have that answer as that dictates our list management decisions.

KPF: No cost ‘Bruce Insurance’. We need to look at another KPD. As a cheap example, Robbie Tarrant will apparently leave if a club offers him 2 years, Notth not budging from one year. Free agent so costs nothing. Obviously if these a better trade option then them. But the first question is, where is Josh playing, back or forward?

KPD: That gives us four very different KPDs. I like the mix and I’m very bullish on Josh generally but as a KPD. But that means we need to find ‘Bruce Insurance’. We will have highly rated kids, but just Naughton & English rotating down there. Free Agent (low cost) options include Tom Lynch or Chol, or Kennedy if he’s not given a contract. Or we could trade but that seems a bit much when Bruce is back. Free agency to me is the obvious mechanism.


So where do you want to see Josh play in 2022 and what sort of player would you look at to play at the other end of the ground to give us options and coverage when injuries inevitably occur?

[azabob]

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Great question.

Do you think Bevo will play three key defenders?

I think we need him to train with the defenders over the pre season as this is where he can have the most impact as an individual and on the team.

On the Bruce Insurance we should be targeting and getting a first ruck and by default English is our Bruce insurance.
For what its worth Naughton is a number 1 key forward. Without Bruce being there will bring the best out of Naughton as he will be the number 1 target.

I’ll try and add more later when my brain has more capacity.

[GVGjr]

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I think you should add Young to the mix here BT because I haven't given up on him as a KPD.
The aim with Schache should be to play him as a forward but if we recruited a Tom Lynch or Casboult type forward then we could easily set him to spend the preseason with the defenders.

I prefer him as a forward and I think he can work in well with Naughton.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Schache’s 2022 role, impact on List Management

Great question.

Do you think Bevo will play three key defenders?

I think we need him to train with the defenders over the pre season as this is where he can have the most impact as an individual and on the team.

On the Bruce Insurance we should be targeting and getting a first ruck and by default English is our Bruce insurance.
For what its worth Naughton is a number 1 key forward. Without Bruce being there will bring the best out of Naughton as he will be the number 1 target.

I’ll try and add more later when my brain has more capacity.

Bevo has said he would play 3 defenders. Last time against Melbourne we did. We also need depth to 4 KPDs on the list in my thinking, especially for injuries.

Naughton & English is good. But our best footy has been with three talls. If Schache is in defence, we’d rely on Marra & Darcy who will be on their P Players next year.

Schache’s role is the key decision for Sam Power. Changes dramatically who he might seek to trade for or free agent. We only have about 5-6 weeks to work it out.

[bulldogtragic]

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I think you should add Young to the mix here BT because I haven't given up on him as a KPD.
The aim with Schache should be to play him as a forward but if we recruited a Tom Lynch or Casboult type forward then we could easily set him to spend the preseason with the defenders.

I prefer him as a forward and I think he can work in well with Naughton.

I like Young, but I expect Young to leave with him not getting games tear upon year and others clubs into him. So I baked the assumption into the cake. Do you think he stays?

[GVGjr]

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I like Young, but I expect Young to leave with him not getting games tear upon year and others clubs into him. So I baked the assumption into the cake. Do you think he stays?

I think he stays unless a club really chases him. Has he shown enough for that?

[bulldogtragic]

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I think he stays unless a club really chases him. Has he shown enough for that?

If they suggest he’s going to get more games, that’s carrot enough. Before the games in the ruck, he had 20 games in 5 years. I really hope he stays, but I can see him looking at his career and how a move is the best thing for him. Not playing VFL for most of the year is a good offer. Will we match that carrot? I’m not sure we can.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Schache’s 2022 role, impact on List Management

I think we need 4 ready to go KPDs & KPFs. Leaving Josh out for a moment.

KPD: Keath, Gardner, Cordy

KPF: Naughton, Jamarra (2nd year), Darcy (unlikely to impact), English forward if we have a fit ruck


So we are short one KPD & one KPF. Schache has shown some very promising signs as a KPD but in the last three weeks he looks more than capable of being good ‘Bruce Insurance’. So where he plays depends on the needs. Bevo & Power will have that answer as that dictates our list management decisions.

KPF: No cost ‘Bruce Insurance’. We need to look at another KPD. As a cheap example, Robbie Tarrant will apparently leave if a club offers him 2 years, Notth not budging from one year. Free agent so costs nothing. Obviously if these a better trade option then them. But the first question is, where is Josh playing, back or forward?

KPD: That gives us four very different KPDs. I like the mix and I’m very bullish on Josh generally but as a KPD. But that means we need to find ‘Bruce Insurance’. We will have highly rated kids, but just Naughton & English rotating down there. Free Agent (low cost) options include Tom Lynch or Chol, or Kennedy if he’s not given a contract. Or we could trade but that seems a bit much when Bruce is back. Free agency to me is the obvious mechanism.


So where do you want to see Josh play in 2022 and what sort of player would you look at to play at the other end of the ground to give us options and coverage when injuries inevitably occur?

I agree a great question. However, does it matter? Do we need to pin Josh into a spot or can we benefit from Josh next year playing the majority of his time forward as the Bruce cover, but having the ability to swing back into defence if Bruce becomes available or injuries form require it.

I've never been a massive fan of a swingman, but I like what the Shack can bring to the role. Even on Saturday he was swung back into defence late in the game to provide added talls down back and give some of the guys there a break.

[boydogs]

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I like Schache in the exact role he played in the prelim, tall defensive forward. Naughton, English, Schache, Marra is fine to me so long as English is not first ruck. Get Ladhams, develop Sweet, send Young back

[bulldogtragic]

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I agree a great question. However, does it matter? Do we need to pin Josh into a spot or can we benefit from Josh next year playing the majority of his time forward as the Bruce cover, but having the ability to swing back into defence if Bruce becomes available or injuries form require it.

I've never been a massive fan of a swingman, but I like what the Shack can bring to the role. Even on Saturday he was swung back into defence late in the game to provide added talls down back and give some of the guys there a break.

In and of itself I agree. Bevo can use his as he sees fit. I pose it for recruiting purposes. With Bruce out and Young likely gone, I think we need two replacements, one at each end. Schache is one them obviously. But do we recruit a KPF to cover Bruce or do we recruit a KPD to replace Young on the list? That decision comes down to what end Schache is slated to play.

[Mofra]

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I think Schache does get his opportunities forward next year, but I'm not sure if we're playing Naughton, English and JUH that Schache would play in that instance.

I consider English a forward/ruck, and Sam Darcy a developing kid who is better suited to KPD. He's arguably more raw than JUH was.

I'm not 100% sold that Schache is a longer term defensive option either. He's a good clubman and if he can play either end depending on the opposition then that's great, but every year a player or two surprises and that would change plans. Daniel went from AA back to utility, Dale is now an AA back, we spent most of the second half to the year trying to play 3 KPDs but our best football has arguably been the past couple of weeks playing two KPDs.

I think Lewie Young might seek more opportunity too which would make Schache an important depth swingman and every team needs a player who can be thrown to both ends of the ground to do a job.

Consider top sides like Melbourne (McDonald), Brisbane (McStay) etc