VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

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  • Smads57
    Coaching Staff
    • Nov 2014
    • 2691

    #121
    Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

    Some very late thoughts from Friday's game (left ground after Swans kicked their 10th goal in the last qtr)

    McComb (22 kicks, 10 marks, 14 handballs, 5 tackles 1 goal) - as suggested by other posters, clearly the pick of the VFL team in terms of performance and effort. A real hard at it mid and has taken a step up from 2021 - no doubt due to training with the big boys. How does he get a game in the firsts? Could he be the run with player we need with McLean out for some time still. They are the same height, weight and age. McComb has a good tank and not afraid to go hard at the opposition player.

    Khamis (5 disposals, 1 mark) - hung out to dry with team selection and likely to end up playing on the opponents resting ruckman for the whole VFL season given our lack of taller options in the VFL (as well as AFL). I thought he offered a better 'contest' than Schache when trying to stop his taller opponents.

    Schache (11 disposals, 1 mark (only), 2 goals, 3 tackles) - bit of a mixed bag - kicking a couple of goals when forward was important for the team, but him having to play most of the game at the Barkley St end meant he was either chasing or being chased quarter on quarter. Unable to lay a finger on the more accomplished big forwards from the Swans when playing in defence.

    O'Brien (11 disposals, 3 marks) - firstly, I'd be interested in knowing his TOG - seemed to be off the ground as much as on it. Started off well but dropped a sitter at one stage in the first half that I thought was ordinary. Not enough evidence to show he is the player we hope he can be in the firsts ie jury still out...

    Wallis (26 disposals, 3 marks, 1 tackle) - so what position is he looking to aim for if given an AFL call up as playing VFL midfield is not likely to be the role in the senior team. He worked hard, was important for his experience in organising players at stoppages, so in all, a solid game....but to what end? he will likely be injury 'insurance' at best.

    Garcia (24 disposals, 8 tackles) - worked into the game and would be better for the run given he had an interrupted pre-season. Along with a coupe of others, likely to win a senior spot at some stage in the year. Continues to be a hard at it on-baller with his 8 tackles for the game testament.

    West (24 disposals, 6 marks, 4 tackles) - was his usual busy self but not as impactful as McComb or Butler. Not quite ready yet for a call up to the firsts - not sure (yet) what he would offer if he was.....

    Butler (19 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles and 1 goal) - a 'nice' game across half back/wing. Likely to win a spot in the seniors at some stage during the year if he can string together similar performances. From a VFL 'watchers' perspective, a step up from 2021.

    Raak (22 disposals, 11 marks, 0 tackles) - solid game BUT....thought he took his time to dispose of the ball at times - time he wouldn't be afforded in the AFL, also, he was a bit loose with his disposal on a couple of occasions. I have highlighted nil tackles - with the amount of ball in the Swans fwd line, he needed to join in the fray (so to speak). Tends to play a bit like Lewis Young when playing VFL (loose man in defence). Nice size (193 cm).

    Cleary (15 disposals, 3 marks, 1 tackle) - I had seen Cleary play in a VFL practice match and also some in-house training and thought he looked a bit light and also not as good a kick as I hoped he would be (ie will need to be if coming off half back), so he surprised me with a fairly neat game for his first official hit out in the RWB. Don't see him getting a senior game but look forward to his progression at VFL level. Nice height (190 cm)

    Jones (11 disposals, 4 marks, 1 tackle) - very raw but did some stuff that we can get excited about. Blustery conditions probably didn't help him together with a very 'ordinary' Footscray forward line to work in with. One to watch I think.

    Martin (14 disposals, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 24 HO) - hmmm - given Sweet's extremely disappointing performance, I was hoping for a bit better from Martin (as potential partner for English). He was up against a very tall and mobile VFL ruck combination from the Swans, so won't give up on him yet, but he looked slow. Jury out.

    Sweet (5 disposals, 1 mark, 15 HO) - was asked to play half the game in ruck and other half at FF. He was diabolical in both positions. That might be harsh, but I seen him play better 3 years ago when he first started in our VFL program. He looked disinterested and dare I say 'lazy'. I couldn't have been more disappointed with an aspiring AFL player's game at this level. As noted above with Martin, the Swans ruck division was quite tall and mobile, but it wasn't the quality of other AFL ruck divisions. Needs to pull the proverbial finger out or we have a list clogger.
    There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist.
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    • Grantysghost
      Bouncing Strong
      • Apr 2010
      • 19357

      #122
      Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

      Wow amazing summary Smads.

      You should be working at the club.

      Interesting re O'Brien sounds like he mightve been managed with a view to bringing him straight in regardless of form.

      Thanks!
      BT COME BACK!​

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 67678

        #123
        Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

        Cheers Smads, loved your report
        FFC: Established 1883

        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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        • Rocco Jones
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jun 2008
          • 6984

          #124
          Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

          Outstanding stuff Smads.

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          • chef
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2008
            • 14746

            #125
            Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

            Who needs an official report when we have smads.
            The curse is dead.

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            • ratsmac
              WOOF Member
              • May 2009
              • 3975

              #126
              Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

              You're the best Smads!
              They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
              Brian Fantana.

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              • angelopetraglia
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Nov 2008
                • 6923

                #127
                Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                Great summary Smads. Gee whiz there are not many players knocking the door down.

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                • Bulldog Joe
                  Premiership Moderator
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 5626

                  #128
                  Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                  Originally posted by chef
                  Who needs an official report when we have smads.
                  I would suggest smads offers far more than any official report.

                  Calls it as he sees it without the need to sugar coat anything.
                  Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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                  • Ghost Dog
                    WOOF Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 9404

                    #129
                    Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                    Thanks Smads.
                    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15547

                      #130
                      Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                      Good write-up Smads and pretty much aligned to my thoughts.

                      I would add I was extremely disappointed with West's ball use. He started off brightly with a nice cut away handball which opened up the field, but after that his ball use was pretty much disgraceful. Kicks that didn't hit the mark, handballs that looked flashy, but weren't effective. I'm really questioning his spot on the list given the lack of depth in our key position posts.

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                      • soupman
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 5158

                        #131
                        Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        Good write-up Smads and pretty much aligned to my thoughts.

                        I would add I was extremely disappointed with West's ball use. He started off brightly with a nice cut away handball which opened up the field, but after that his ball use was pretty much disgraceful. Kicks that didn't hit the mark, handballs that looked flashy, but weren't effective. I'm really questioning his spot on the list given the lack of depth in our key position posts.
                        We have loaded up on guys that realistically are fighting for a handful of spots in the side. The spots occupied by Scott, Roarke, Vandermeer and Weightman are really the only spots West, Mclean, McComb, McNeil, Jones, Garcia and JJ are fighting for. Bailey Smith probably reduces those spots by one again, and you'd imagine JJ is a lock when fit (as is Weightman really) so they are all fighting for 2 spots.

                        None of those guys are a chance of ousting any of our actual midfield, they are all so far back in the quality Lipinski even offered, and are either undersized or lack a real point of difference at this stage. If we rejig the side maybe we fit another one or two in, but aside from Jones/McNeil giving us run on a wing not sure they truly improve us.

                        Add that to Wallis who's weekly meetings i assume go "what do you guys want me to work on?", "oh you know, just keep keeping on and I'm sure an opportunity will open up at some stage", "um...anything more specific", "............no", then there's probably at least 3, maybe 4, list spots there that could be put to better use.
                        I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                        • comrade
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 18103

                          #132
                          Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                          Originally posted by soupman
                          We have loaded up on guys that realistically are fighting for a handful of spots in the side. The spots occupied by Scott, Roarke, Vandermeer and Weightman are really the only spots West, Mclean, McComb, McNeil, Jones, Garcia and JJ are fighting for. Bailey Smith probably reduces those spots by one again, and you'd imagine JJ is a lock when fit (as is Weightman really) so they are all fighting for 2 spots.

                          None of those guys are a chance of ousting any of our actual midfield, they are all so far back in the quality Lipinski even offered, and are either undersized or lack a real point of difference at this stage. If we rejig the side maybe we fit another one or two in, but aside from Jones/McNeil giving us run on a wing not sure they truly improve us.

                          Add that to Wallis who's weekly meetings i assume go "what do you guys want me to work on?", "oh you know, just keep keeping on and I'm sure an opportunity will open up at some stage", "um...anything more specific", "............no", then there's probably at least 3, maybe 4, list spots there that could be put to better use.
                          Bingo.

                          I’d feel a lot better about the list if a couple of those spots were being taken up by developing rucks, key position types or genuine forwards rather than the over abundance of mids/flankers we’re carrying. It’s crazy list management.
                          Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                          • DOG GOD
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 6617

                            #133
                            Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                            I looked at hawks the other night. Breust and Gunston. 2 GENUINE mid sized fwds with great fwd craft. God what we could do with those types of players.

                            Mihocek is another.

                            The closest we had was Dickson and have never really replaced him.
                            I will never see #16 the same!!

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                            • Axe Man
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 11486

                              #134
                              Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                              Originally posted by DOG GOD
                              I looked at hawks the other night. Breust and Gunston. 2 GENUINE mid sized fwds with great fwd craft. God what we could do with those types of players.

                              Mihocek is another.

                              The closest we had was Dickson and have never really replaced him.
                              There was a guy with a terrible chest tattoo that went ok, he would be pretty handy right now.

                              Bedendo is about the only guy on the list aside from Hannan that seems to fit the bill (unless you count JUH as more of a mid sized forward at this stage in build, if not height). Hopefully we get a look at him at some stage this season.

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                              • Grantysghost
                                Bouncing Strong
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 19357

                                #135
                                Re: VFL Round 1 - Footscray vs Sydney 2022

                                Originally posted by Axe Man
                                There was a guy with a terrible chest tattoo that went ok, he would be pretty handy right now.

                                Bedendo is about the only guy on the list aside from Hannan that seems to fit the bill (unless you count JUH as more of a mid sized forward at this stage in build, if not height). Hopefully we get a look at him at some stage this season.
                                Stringer would fit in perfectly now.

                                Shame the relationship didn't work.
                                BT COME BACK!​

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