Cross Trading Salary Comprised Players?

[bulldogtragic]

So what I mean in the title is, a player who’s on a bigger contract that impacts trade worth. But not a pure ‘salary dump’, like Bowes.

So I just saw in a thread scuttlebutt about Hunter maybe moving, but his contract an issue. In these new times I wonder if there’s a room for a specific almost sub-class of trade. Being two clubs, two such players, but having very little actual cap movement.

So someone like Hunter, in return for a player in a similar boat.

Names this year include Grundy (won’t happen with us), Zac Williams, Brad Hill, Tom Michell etc.

I wonder if there’s some list managers on the same wave length that see a nearly straight swap, keeping the same salary on the books but exchanging players that could reach their previous highs at a new club.

Take Hunter as an illustration. Would we prefer to get an ok (but not great) pick and handover cash to simply move. Or, look at a Zac Williams/Brad Hill type in a straight swap hoping to address a need with a ready to go player (with perhaps minor tinkering)?

[Mofra]

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I'm trying to think of the last time this happened - did Sydney lose a few players when they signed Buddy?
They were very keen to keep Mumford but couldn't afford even AFL average salary for him.

Alternate circumstances, but Griff was very well paid when he was traded for Tom Boyd

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Cross Trading Salary Comprised Players?

I'm trying to think of the last time this happened - did Sydney lose a few players when they signed Buddy?
They were very keen to keep Mumford but couldn't afford even AFL average salary for him.

Yep, in a few years. Mumford, Everett (who good for them), Malceski, Jetta, (Biggs), Tom Mitchell.

They didn’t get much in return through any form (trade/compo etc). Mitchell was a first, but it was ‘unders’. Then we handed Griffen extra salary, think same with Lids to GWS. Jenkins to Geelong, Scully & Patten to Hawks, Treloar, Phillips & Stephenson, and a lot of GCS & GWS trades.

I’d seriously look at trading salary compromised between clubs than take an ‘unders’ pick and offer our own cash to make something happen. This trend is here to stay, I think clubs should strategise different ways to skin the cat.

[Mofra]

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Yep, in a few years. Mumford, Everett (who good for them), Malceski, Jetta, (Biggs), Tom Mitchell.

They didn’t get much in return through any form (trade/compo etc). Mitchell was a first, but it was ‘unders’. Then we handed Griffen extra salary, think same with Lids to GWS. Jenkins to Geelong, Scully & Patten to Hawks, Treloar, Phillips & Stephenson, and a lot of GCS & GWS trades.

I’d seriously look at trading salary compromised between clubs than take an ‘unders’ pick and offer our own cash to make something happen. This trend is here to stay, I think clubs should strategise different ways to skin the cat.

I guess the issue is salary-compromised players are being traded for 'a reason'. Trading another in straight away won't help whatever that reason is.

It could be behavioral, salary cap/retention, or just loading up for a crack at a FA that year or the next.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Cross Trading Salary Comprised Players?

I guess the issue is salary-compromised players are being traded for 'a reason'. Trading another in straight away won't help whatever that reason is.

It could be behavioral, salary cap/retention, or just loading up for a crack at a FA that year or the next.

Very true. I guess my thinking is where the issues aren’t extreme. The cap isn’t overly stretched, it’s a return on investment thing. For example sake, say the Blues are thinking they’re simply not getting value in Zac Williams. Say they were a possible destination for Hunter. I think I’d take the punt on the incoming player if the cap isn’t an issue. Either Williams or Hunter for a mid range pick and paying them to play elsewhere isn’t a great outcome. But it’s a roll of the dice that a new club can turn them around.

I suppose either way, being struck with a devalued asset with a heap of debt isn’t ideal. Unless you’re Collingwood and then it’s normal practice.

[1eyedog]

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I think the best application for these types of scenarios is if you have player A on a certain wage but you need to fill a different role and player B is available rather than spend additional coin on a Player B you could look at a trade exchange between your player A and their player B.

Sure you may not be reducing your cap (or you might if you're strategic / you're changing out a midfielder for a role playing third tall), but you're improving the balance of your list while keeping your cap stable in the process i.e. relieving cap space with player A and filling a need with player B.

These scenarios might not help reducing cap but they may help with balancing it effectively.

[bulldogtragic]

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So, any late salary compromised players being paid (full or in part) elsewhere next year? Outside of Bowes and Grundy, not much action so far. Rumoured salary compromised players included:

Zac Williams
Lachie Hunter
Tarryn Thomas
Lachie Whitfield
Nick Haynes
Brad Hill
Etc.