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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #1

    BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

    WESTERN BULLDOGS:

    Current Indicative Draft Order: 10, 17, 36, 63, 66 & 71

    Picks 10 & 17 (will be 15-18) - for - Pick 4 - Likely 5 after Mackay compo

    Picks 36, 63, 66 & 71 = 723 Draft Points

    1,063 DP needed for Jordan Croft after discount at Pick 11 (Twomey suggests 11)

    340 Draft Points short. But easily made up by splitting Pick 36 (you?d expect c. 150 from such a trade based on precedent) and likely points for Khamis (101 points if Essendon) & Sweet (say swap WCE 71 for 57, netting 153 extra points).

    Lual if he gets passed Pick 40 is about 200 points or free at Pick 55+. So easily live tradable or if we got a few extra points elsewhere. Maybe an unneeded late GCS pick minor upgrade.


    So looks like if we get GCS Pick 4. It is Watson/McKercher, Croft and perhaps maybe Lual, a late pick, then rookie upgrade/s

    Draft Rules: Note we need to have open list spots open equal to the picks we take in. So say we want to use 5 later picks to cover Croft and possibly Lual. With Watson we need to have 6 spots open. We do the rookie elevations after the ND. So right now we have three vacancies. Bring Bruce, Hannan & TOB. So we need to find three more. Say Croz, Sweet & Khamis. But players we trade in for, need to have spots opened. Say it?s three players traded, two of need and a ruck to cover Sweet. Now we need to clear all our uncontracted players from the main list. If that doesn?t happen, with four vacancies soon on the rookie list we can move one or two spots from our rookie list to main list to cover it. I?m not sure we?d take four rookies, so maybe this is on the cards to keep say a Duryea &/or Bedendo in lieu of late rookie draft picks. Or we could not trade for ruck depth and look for a DFA after the draft or a state league run the draft to save a spot.

    I suspect, but for say compo for McLean, trading is heavily centred on future picks. Which works with Lohmann/Brisbane as an example.

    No Free Agents have been linked to us, at least recently or seriously.

    Trading: As you can see above, even with splitting our second rounder and trading Sweet & Khamis we will only just cover our points needs. Thus, we don?t have the trade capital as it stands right now. Maybe a player requests a trade out, maybe GCS swap a later pick if they don?t need the points. But the smart money says future picks will be needed to look at trades like Lohmann and the reported interest in Coffield. Brisbane will want points for Ashcroft II next year, so that makes sense there.

    Is Power telling the truth?: Yes. As you can see from the math, it looks like Watson/McKercher, Croft, maybe Lual if he slides passed Pick 40 and maybe a late pick. So somewhere between 2-4 picks at the ND. With Scott to be upgraded and possibly McNeil or Roarke not that I?d personally do either elevation. But the club seems to like gifting McNeil games especially?

    Then say we trimmed the rookie list by one, that would leave three spots. Based on last year, maybe one pick (we like re-rooking a kid with injuries so maybe Bedendo - even though it’s not worked out really well as a long term strategy), one SSP/DFA and leaving one spot open for the MSD.

    Any bigger name players asking for a trade out will need to involved picks higher than 10.


    It looks like a somewhat normal kind of turnover, maybe 7-8 off the main list tops. But with rookie upgrade/s it?s not really that high. It doesn?t look like a big change is coming, unless the players run for the doors. Evolution not revolution. It looks like we are focussed on young high end talent. Say younger former/first rounders in Watson/McKercher (5), Croft (11), Coffield (8), Lohmann (20) and hoping for Lual and then maybe a late ND pick, early RD pick and perhaps using SSP/DFA to fill a need. I suggested Ethan Phillips last year for KPD depth, so I?d have a look at him or other state leaguers unless there?s an unlucky delisting (highly doubt it).

    I suppose the club a part from looking at natural talent is hoping that Croft learns his trade without time pressure with Lobb around for a while. It must be banking on Darcy, JOD & Buss stepping up next year. If it was say Watson - then he can come almost right in as a small forward and with Lohmann & Clarke we have three quick/natural small forward and can release Weightman to any role he can execute (mid time, HHF, deep forward etc). The forward half looks great, and pushes West, Garcia & McNeil back into the mid group, but the mids can not continue to be predictable and relying on second year KPD?s and an injured Coffield isn?t a solution down back.

    But that?s basically the state of play as I can see it today.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
  • ledge
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2007
    • 14549

    #2
    Re: BT?s Off Season Cheat Sheet

    We need to get that pick 4/5 deal done or it’s a completely different scenario.
    By all the posts I see we are pretty confident the trade 10 and 17 for 4 will happen.
    Bring back the biff

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    • mjp
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7472

      #3
      Re: BT?s Off Season Cheat Sheet

      Originally posted by ledge
      We need to get that pick 4/5 deal done or it’s a completely different scenario.
      By all the posts I see we are pretty confident the trade 10 and 17 for 4 will happen.
      Yeah...not me.
      But if we don't, I can't see how we can draft Croft.
      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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      • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 8998

        #4
        Re: BT?s Off Season Cheat Sheet

        Originally posted by mjp
        Yeah...not me.
        But if we don't, I can't see how we can draft Croft.
        I'm concerned we get gazumped on the pick 4 swap with GCS.
        This trade and draft period will go along way towards defining Sam Power's tenure with us.
        If he is able to manoeuvre and position us favourably, he really could really set our list up for the future, and building on the high end talent in Jamarra and Darcy we've been fortunate to secure.

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        • Grantysghost
          Bouncing Strong
          • Apr 2010
          • 19357

          #5
          Re: BT?s Off Season Cheat Sheet

          Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
          I'm concerned we get gazumped on the pick 4 swap with GCS.
          This trade and draft period will go along way towards defining Sam Power's tenure with us.
          If he is able to manoeuvre and position us favourably, he really could really set our list up for the future, and building on the high end talent in Jamarra and Darcy we've been fortunate to secure.
          Me too. Also worried we chuck in extra like a future second which would not be a good thing for depth.
          BT COME BACK!​

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          • Axe Man
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2008
            • 11486

            #6
            Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            1,063 DP needed for Jordan Croft after discount at Pick 11 (Twomey suggests 11)
            No he doesn't, he suggests top 15. Just before the draft he releases his phantom of where he thinks picks will come. His current list is simply his ranking of players.

            There is a chance the bid comes after our natural first pick but it could be touch and go and we won't want to take that risk.

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            • Scraggers
              Premiership Moderator
              • Jun 2008
              • 3584

              #7
              Re: BT?s Off Season Cheat Sheet

              Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
              I'm concerned we get gazumped on the pick 4 swap with GCS.
              This trade and draft period will go along way towards defining Sam Power's tenure with us.
              If he is able to manoeuvre and position us favourably, he really could really set our list up for the future, and building on the high end talent in Jamarra and Darcy we've been fortunate to secure.
              Not attacking you YHF, but this gets said every year ... I think since Sam has arrived, he has been exemplary in his approach and outcomes for each and every draft.

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34289

                #8
                Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                Originally posted by Axe Man
                No he doesn't, he suggests top 15. Just before the draft he releases his phantom of where he thinks picks will come. His current list is simply his ranking of players.

                There is a chance the bid comes after our natural first pick but it could be touch and go and we won't want to take that risk.
                Ok. 11th on his current power ranking. Let’s say 11 for using a fixed number. Either way it’s too close for call, I guess why we are chasing GCS.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34289

                  #9
                  Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                  Mega Trade Idea:

                  North: 2, 14, 19, 60 (EOFR 2024) > Pick 1, 20 (via GCS), 36-37, 39, Graham (KPD to cover Mackay out)
                  WCE: 1, 19, 20, (36-37), 39, 53, 57 > Pick 2, 10, 14 & 64
                  GCS: 4, (10 & 20), Graham > Pick 17-18, 19, 60 & F1 (Dogs)
                  Dogs: 10 & 17-18, 36-37, 64, F1 > Pick 4, 39, 53, 57, (67 & 70), North EOFR 2024, Hollands


                  Dogs: Pick 4, 982 Draft Points (plus Sweet & Khamis points) to get Croft & acquire Hollands for downgrading our F1 to end of F1.

                  GCS: 17-18, 19, 29, 35, 43, 47, 57 & 60 (plus their F1 and the Dogs F1) (North & WCE agree to not bid on Walter, Dogs no bidding either) (Get all their kids without deficit - plus probably a pick for Chol).

                  North: Go up to Pick 1, high second, late second and early third plus cover for Mackay: 1, (probably 3), 20 (1st pick night 2), 36-37 & 39. Only traded one of their future picks.

                  WCE: Get Curtin and a couple of extra first rounders: Pick 2, 10, 14, 33 & 63.


                  Will tweak it, but looks like everybody gets something out of it.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34289

                    #10
                    Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                    Play by play:

                    Dogs & GCS one obviously. Then DP trade with WCE with 36-37.


                    Pick 1, 36-37 & 39 for Pick 2, 14 & 19

                    WCE Pick 19 & 20 for Pick 10

                    North give up one of their EIFR 2024 & Pick 60 for Pick 20 & Graham
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • josie
                      Coaching Staff
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 4655

                      #11
                      Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                      Hope the club reads WOOF. You’re a trade genius BT.
                      Josie :)

                      Our day will come
                      And we'll have everything.
                      We'll share the joy
                      Just like '54 again.

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                      • Twodogs
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27681

                        #12
                        Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                        Does James O Donnell need to be promoted onto the main list or has that already been done with the contract extension he has signed?
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • bulldogtragic
                          The List Manager
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 34289

                          #13
                          Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                          Originally posted by Twodogs
                          Does James O Donnell need to be promoted onto the main list or has that already been done with the contract extension he has signed?
                          He can stay on the rookie list is he and the club want to.
                          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                          • azabob
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15479

                            #14
                            Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                            BT assuming pick 4 is off the table what are you doing with our first two picks?
                            Would you give them up for a top ten pick and a future 2nd?
                            More of an In Bruges guy?

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34289

                              #15
                              Re: BT's Off Season Cheat Sheet

                              Originally posted by azabob
                              BT assuming pick 4 is off the table what are you doing with our first two picks?
                              Would you give them up for a top ten pick and a future 2nd?
                              I just read we’ve offered 10, 17 & F1 with F3 likely coming back.

                              FMD.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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