Do VFL and AFL teams always come good together?

[LostDoggy]

It would appear that when the AFL club does well the affiliated VFL club does well also.

For instance Geelong in 2007, both teams won the premierships that year. Last year Box Hill did well, although I don't think they are going as well this year?
Even the dogs in 1997, didn't the then reserves team go on to win the premiership that year?

I am just wondering if this is the case and that we need to keep an eye on Williamstown to see how well the doggies are going to go. I think that it is more than just a question of depth - any comments or am i just barking up the wrong tree

[LostDoggy]

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Werribee was right up there when the Dogs were down weren't they?

[comrade]

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Last year Box Hill seniors were terrible, their reserves were good but got towelled up by Willy in the grand final.

[GVGjr]

Re: Do VFL and AFL teams always come good together?

It would appear that when the AFL club does well the affiliated VFL club does well also.

For instance Geelong in 2007, both teams won the premierships that year. Last year Box Hill did well, although I don't think they are going as well this year?
Even the dogs in 1997, didn't the then reserves team go on to win the premiership that year?

I am just wondering if this is the case and that we need to keep an eye on Williamstown to see how well the doggies are going to go. I think that it is more than just a question of depth - any comments or am i just barking up the wrong tree

I don't think Williamstown will seriously challenge for the top 2 or 3 sides this year because the list just isn't right. It does however, provide a great opportunity for our Bulldog listed players and we should see the benefit of that when players are introduced to the senior side throughout the season.

I think this alignment is skewed a bit too much towards the Bulldogs which may end up being an issue somewhere down the track.
I believe there is a problem with the Western Jets where the young players not drafted prefer to head to Werribee because they provide far better opportunities than what Williamstown can offer.

In an ideal set-up we would be aligned to both Williamstown and Werribee but that won't happen.

[Mitcha]

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I don't think Williamstown will seriously challenge for the top 2 or 3 sides this year because the list just isn't right. It does however, provide a great opportunity for our Bulldog listed players and we should see the benefit of that when players are introduced to the senior side throughout the season.

Interesting call GVGjr. I have heard that the match committee at the Bulldogs are a little frustrated at the Williamstown match committee in that they would like to see a few more Bulldogs listed players running around in the senior team. Realizing that only a certain number of AFL listed players can be selected against stand alone sides in the VFL, the strength of the Williamstown listed players is stifling the development of the Bulldogs listed players. An example being Cloke at CHB instead of Boumann or Mulligan, similar to when Podsiadly was ruling the goalsquare at Werribee instead of our developing KP players at the time.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Interesting call GVGjr. I have heard that the match committee at the Bulldogs are a little frustrated at the Williamstown match committee in that they would like to see a few more Bulldogs listed players running around in the senior team. Realizing that only a certain number of AFL listed players can be selected against stand alone sides in the VFL, the strength of the Williamstown listed players is stifling the development of the Bulldogs listed players. An example being Cloke at CHB instead of Boumann or Mulligan, similar to when Podsiadly was ruling the goalsquare at Werribee instead of our developing KP players at the time.

I don't agree at all.

If you play well enough they'll find a spot for you.

[LostDoggy]

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I don't agree at all.

If you play well enough they'll find a spot for you.

I don't think thats the point. I couldn't care less if Williamstown win or lose, all I'm worried about is the development of the bulldog players.
I'm prepared to put a player in the seniors thats not up to it yet on the expectation he will learn quicker at a higher level.

[Bornadog]

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I don't think thats the point. I couldn't care less if Williamstown win or lose, all I'm worried about is the development of the bulldog players.
I'm prepare to put a player in the seniors thats not up to it yet on the expectation he will learn quicker at a higher level.

Totally agree, however, we won't be able to do that with this arrangement. We need our own reserves like Collingwood.

[LostDoggy]

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Totally agree, however, we won't be able to do that with this arrangement. We need our own reserves like Collingwood.

I totally agree but i think it is a costly exercise! It would certainly expand the depth at the club and a good way to pick up possible rookies, picken style!

[GVGjr]

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I totally agree but i think it is a costly exercise! It would certainly expand the depth at the club and a good way to pick up possible rookies, picken style!

Simply speaking it's well out of our scope and we just couldn't afford it. When a cashed up club like Essendon realise that it just adds too much to the cost of running their club I think it will always be beyond us. Collingwood and Geelong are obviously the exceptions.

[Missing Dog]

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Simply speaking it's well out of our scope and we just couldn't afford it. When a cashed up club like Essendon realise that it just adds too much to the cost of running their club I think it will always be beyond us. Collingwood and Geelong are obviously the exceptions.

Interesting that Essendon have now come out and said that they may go back to being a stand alone club.

[Mantis]

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Interesting that Essendon have now come out and said that they may go back to being a stand alone club.

In any case they need to get out of the Bendigo arrangement, there doesn't seem to be any use making your players drive for 3 or 4 hours every second week to get their arses handed back to them.

[Cyberdoggie]

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In any case they need to get out of the Bendigo arrangement, there doesn't seem to be any use making your players drive for 3 or 4 hours every second week to get their arses handed back to them.

Yeah that club is an embarrassment.
Their seniors get pantsed and the reserves get humiliated.

It's like junior footy where the ball only every goes to one end of the ground and the opposition celebrate like they have won the flag when they finally kick a goal in the last quarter.

[Cyberdoggie]

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The arrangement with Williamstown isn't ideal for developement but I agree with Scooter in this case. I think if the player is good enough then his spot should be automatic, however it does limit how you can use your players. For instance our players will generally play a secondary option to the Williamstown boys for most positions. This doesn't help our young players learn how to take the game on by themselves. They are basically playing second fiddle. For example, the coach would more likely turn to one of his more seasoned Williamstown players to lead by example in a crucial role/moment. He would turn to Brett Johnson. Our boys would be less likely to be focussed on in that way, they would just play their role.
Mind you this would also happen if they got promoted to the bulldogs so you could also say that if they aren't good enough for Williamstown why would they be good enough higher up?


I think where it hurts the most is watching our boys run around in the Willy reserves. This is a sub standard competition for our afl listed players. They really aren't learning much there.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Getting back to the question in the title:

I'd say probably more often than not that the vfl affiliate would be strong when the afl team is. This would be because the senior side probably has few injuries.

I haven't done the maths but i don't think many afl sides are successful with a lot of injuries on their list.


You also have to have reasonable depth in your squad as well.