Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

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  • comrade
    Hall of Fame
    • Jun 2008
    • 18103

    #1

    Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

    With a bit of spare time at work, I’ve put together a small spreadsheet that tracks the TAC Cup stats of our potential father/son pick ups: Mitch Wallis and Tom Liberatore.

    <a href="http://s675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/brettmexico/?action=view&current=tacstats.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/brettmexico/tacstats.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    Even though it’s only a reasonably small sample (4 games) - looking at those stats, it tells you a fair bit about what sort of players they are.

    Mitch uses the ball by foot the majority of time (and uses it well), and gets half of his possessions through handball receives, suggesting that he’s an outside player that his teammates look for to dispose the ball well. Against the Rebel, he set up primarily on the wing, but also had stints in the middle and at half forward.

    Tom prefers to handball 50% of the time, and from seeing him play a couple of times, I’d suggest a large amount of his handballs are contested as he is a genuine inside-midfielder in the Sam Mitchell-mold.

    He doesn’t use the ball as well as Mitch, particularly by foot, but had fantastic game against the Rebels finishing with 29 disposals, 3 marks and 9 tackles (I’m sure this made his dad smile )

    It’ll be interesting to see how they go for the rest of the year – there is a 3 week break from APS footy where they’ll play for the Cannons so I’ll try and update the stats.

    If we do take both, we’ll be getting two very different midfielders – an attacking wingman with a good goal sense, and an inside extractor.
    Last edited by comrade; 25-06-2009, 07:02 PM.
    Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
  • Dazza
    WOOF Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 550

    #2
    Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

    I hope if Wallis does become the attacking wingman with good goal sense he doesn't become a scapegoat like Nathan Eagleton.

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    • comrade
      Hall of Fame
      • Jun 2008
      • 18103

      #3
      Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

      Originally posted by dazb
      I hope if Wallis does become the attacking wingman with good goal sense he doesn't become a scapegoat like Nathan Eagleton.
      As much as Eagleton is maligned (less so this year), every side requires outside players to run the lines and dispose the ball well.

      The issue with Eagle is that he has the tendency to only run one way, and for large parts of last year, his kicking was below par.

      Wallis can kick with both sides (a big plus), and he’s good in the air (probably another area that Eagle isn’t overly strong in).

      Hopefully he continues to work on the defensive side of his game, as well as improving his fitness/work rate to ensure he gets to as many contests and runs to the best positions as possible, for 4 quarters. That would get me excited.
      Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34289

        #4
        Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

        Thanks Comrade, looks increasingly like both will be f/s selections.
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        • Remi Moses
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 14785

          #5
          Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

          Kicking efficiency is very important

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          • Remi Moses
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 14785

            #6
            Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

            Originally posted by dazb
            I hope if Wallis does become the attacking wingman with good goal sense he doesn't become a scapegoat like Nathan Eagleton.
            The eagle isn't a scapegoat supporters have detected that his kicking penetration had detiorated as with his pace. Happy to say he's played well of late. Agreed every side needs outside run and carry types i'd like to hop Nathan plays well in the big games i.e finals that's all

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            • lemmon
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Nov 2008
              • 6595

              #7
              Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

              Thanks for that, very promising statistics. Is Wallis quick?

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              • The Coon Dog
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 7579

                #8
                Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                I've read quite a few reports from people who say Mitch Wallis is a left footer. I spoke with a bloke tonight involved with Calder Cannons & he's emphatic Mitch is infact a right footer. Anyone know for sure?
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                • comrade
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 18103

                  #9
                  Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                  Originally posted by The Coon Dog
                  I've read quite a few reports from people who say Mitch Wallis is a left footer. I spoke with a bloke tonight involved with Calder Cannons & he's emphatic Mitch is infact a right footer. Anyone know for sure?
                  I originally thought he was a left footer on seeing him earlier in the year, but he kicked primarily with his right on the weekend.

                  So to answer your question TCD - I've got no idea.
                  Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                  • hujsh
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 11960

                    #10
                    Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                    Originally posted by comrade

                    So to answer your question TCD - I've got no idea.
                    That's great. Ideal situation. No complaints like with Eagle of not using his opposite foot.
                    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      #11
                      Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                      Originally posted by The Coon Dog
                      I've read quite a few reports from people who say Mitch Wallis is a left footer. I spoke with a bloke tonight involved with Calder Cannons & he's emphatic Mitch is infact a right footer. Anyone know for sure?
                      Sounds a little like Leon Cameron, as a younger watcher when he was at his peak i had no idea (and still have no idea) which was Leon's natural side. God i wish just an ounce of the talent to kick both feet. Or have any skill more generally
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • comrade
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 18103

                        #12
                        Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                        I’ve updated our F/S season stats after the game against Gippsland Power – please see below.

                        <a href="http://s675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/brettmexico/?action=view&current=tacstats2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/brettmexico/tacstats2.jpg" border="0" alt="Tac cup 2"></a>

                        Interesting to note that the two players have a mirror image ratio when it comes to kicking vs handballing.

                        Some direct stats from the weekend:

                        Mitch Wallis amassed 35 possessions – I’ve read in places that his biggest knock is the fact that he doesn’t get enough of the ball, so it’s an impressive game. He also had a whopping 20 handball receives, which suggests he worked hard to run past contests to provide an option.

                        Tom Liberatore amassed 27 touches, backing up his 29 possession game last week. Probably even more impressive was that he was credited with 10 tackles, suggesting that his defensive game is a real strength.
                        Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                        • ledge
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 14550

                          #13
                          Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                          10 tackles, suggesting that his defensive game is a real strength.
                          Now that sounds familiar,
                          Bring back the biff

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                          • Scorlibo
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 3097

                            #14
                            Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                            Originally posted by comrade
                            I’ve updated our F/S season stats after the game against Gippsland Power – please see below.

                            <a href="http://s675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/brettmexico/?action=view&current=tacstats2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/brettmexico/tacstats2.jpg" border="0" alt="Tac cup 2"></a>

                            Interesting to note that the two players have a mirror image ratio when it comes to kicking vs handballing.

                            Some direct stats from the weekend:

                            Mitch Wallis amassed 35 possessions – I’ve read in places that his biggest knock is the fact that he doesn’t get enough of the ball, so it’s an impressive game. He also had a whopping 20 handball receives, which suggests he worked hard to run past contests to provide an option.

                            Tom Liberatore amassed 27 touches, backing up his 29 possession game last week. Probably even more impressive was that he was credited with 10 tackles, suggesting that his defensive game is a real strength.
                            Thanks very much Comrade! They both sound super impressive, it's a dream situation to be in really isn't it? Having two midfielders who compliment each other so incredibly and who have played their junior career together. And they're producing these numbers still a year and a half away from draft time!
                            'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              #15
                              Re: Father/Son Stats - TAC Cup 2009

                              Thanks for this comrade, very promising.

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