Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

[Dry Rot]

After reading respective reports of the Pies and Willi games, and about Williams and Boumann, I was wondering which might be the better player in a couple of seasons time. I just spotted two interested posts here on another thread:

In time, could Boumann be a better option than Williams at CHB! His run, height and use of the ball seem to be a winning combination down back. About 5kg and we could have a the real deal!

His body positioning was quite good in the 3 games I've seen him play - better than Williams. He seems a more natural footballer, although his pace would be good for a midfielder, and damn quick for a tall.

Interesting how attitude can be turned around in a year. Hill was also reportedly a bit "distant" in his first year. Not sure how much is just developing maturity and how much is the work of our development staff.

I've seen little of Williams and never seen Boumann play, but from reports this season it seems that, in time, Boumann may become the better CHB for us?

Thoughts?

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

I would expect we will need both.
In 2 years Lake, Hargrave,Gilbee and Hahn will all be 30. Murphy and Morris will be 29.

Welsh and Hudson will be retired.

So our KP talls will need to come from
Williams, Boumann, Grant, Cordy, Jones and Everitt with Roughead partnering Big Will in the ruck.

If they are athletic as well we then have good tall wing/on ball 3rd tall options forward and back.

[Mofra]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

I don't think Boumann will ever have the upper body strength of Williams - if it was out of the two to take a Gorilla forward, I'd have Williams ahead even in a few years.

Despite Williams being quick for a big man, Boumann would have it all over him for pace - wait until you see him in the flesh, guys his height just should not have that much straight line speed!
Boumann will probably have the smarts to sneak forward more as well, although clearly has alot of physical development ahead of him before he is pushing for a senior gig.

[Mantis]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

I don't think Boumann will ever have the upper body strength of Williams - if it was out of the two to take a Gorilla forward, I'd have Williams ahead even in a few years.

Despite Williams being quick for a big man, Boumann would have it all over him for pace - wait until you see him in the flesh, guys his height just should not have that much straight line speed!
Boumann will probably have the smarts to sneak forward more as well, although clearly has alot of physical development ahead of him before he is pushing for a senior gig.

Would you think a debut would be out of the question for next year?

Personally I think he could play a role next season and I watch will interest how he performs over the pre-season as I think he might jump into contention for a spot in the senior team.

[comrade]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

Would you think a debut would be out of the question for next year?

Personally I think he could play a role next season and I watch will interest how he performs over the pre-season as I think he might jump into contention for a spot in the senior team.

He needs a big pre-season and added bulk, but next year is his third on the list so he should be in contention for a spot.

What works in his favour is his versatility - his closing speed is very good so he can match up on smaller, leading forwards, and at 196cm he can play on opposition talls.

The fact that he can move forward is another tick for him.

Geez, I hope the penny drops and he does the work required to get there.

[Bornadog]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

I don't think Boumann will ever have the upper body strength of Williams - if it was out of the two to take a Gorilla forward, I'd have Williams ahead even in a few years.

Despite Williams being quick for a big man, Boumann would have it all over him for pace - wait until you see him in the flesh, guys his height just should not have that much straight line speed!
Boumann will probably have the smarts to sneak forward more as well, although clearly has alot of physical development ahead of him before he is pushing for a senior gig.

I think he has a good physique but needs to put on some muscle.

[Mofra]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

Would you think a debut would be out of the question for next year?

Personally I think he could play a role next season and I watch will interest how he performs over the pre-season as I think he might jump into contention for a spot in the senior team.

Possibly, but he'd be purely fringe without a couple of years worth of physical development - he is still probably classed as fringe in the Williamstown senior team seeing as he's been in & out over the past couple of months.

He may be given a debut on the back of hard training track work as a gee up in the mould of Hill/Stack/Grant to give him a taste of how much more work is ahead of him.

The other issue is we have guys like Addison, Tiller, Callan & Reid who will be pushing for senior spots, and probably Stack too. Not a bad situation to be in, given we are probably likely to only lose a couple of players (Welsh, and Eagle would want to finish the season well). Williams being fit for 22 games would change things too, and that's before we consider where Everitt's at.

He is probably getting close to the Grant situation - both have shown they can play & have the tools, but they need to work on their physical development

[Bornadog]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

he is still probably classed as fringe in the Williamstown senior team seeing as he's been in & out over the past couple of months.

Very difficult for the talls at Willi, it is the land of the giants and you can only have so many in the team.

[Mofra]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

Very difficult for the talls at Willi, it is the land of the giants and you can only have so many in the team.

Yes, however Willy will lose Wight so that frees up one spot. If Cordy spends more time in the ruck there may be opportunity to push the Bou forward at times too, especially is Skip is moved on & Roughy rucks & rests on the bench.

[Bornadog]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

Yes, however Willy will lose Wight so that frees up one spot. If Cordy spends more time in the ruck there may be opportunity to push the Bou forward at times too, especially is Skip is moved on & Roughy rucks & rests on the bench.

Agree, next year will be a big opportunity for Boumanns development

[Missing Dog]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

Yes, however Willy will lose Wight so that frees up one spot. If Cordy spends more time in the ruck there may be opportunity to push the Bou forward at times too, especially is Skip is moved on & Roughy rucks & rests on the bench.

Where does Liam Jones fit in all this? Is he good enough to play in the seniors next year?

[comrade]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

Where does Liam Jones fit in all this? Is he good enough to play in the seniors next year?

In reality, next year should be treated as his first year. Developing talls take longer to come on, so I'd imagine he won't be ready to have an impact until at least 2011 - more likely 2012.

By then, our midfield will be peaking with Cooney, Griffen, Higgins and Ward all nearing their prime.

Grant and Cordy should be entrenched by this time, as well.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

In reality, next year should be treated as his first year. Developing talls take longer to come on, so I'd imagine he won't be ready to have an impact until at least 2011 - more likely 2012.

By then, our midfield will be peaking with Cooney, Griffen, Higgins and Ward all nearing their prime.

Grant and Cordy should be entrenched by this time, as well.

Sorry comrade i actually meant the Willy seniors.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

His body positioning was quite good in the 3 games I've seen him play - better than Williams. He seems a more natural footballer, although his pace would be good for a midfielder, and damn quick for a tall.

Of course Williams isn't a natural footballer, he spent all of his teenage years playing rugby union.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Williams v Boumann in 2 season's time?

A big pre-season and some nab cup action and we'll have a better idea then! Like to see Boumann stay in the Willi seniors for the rest of the year. I think he shown enough now to really go on with the second half of the season. Watched him on Sunday and as quoted the kids got some serious speed and is cool under pressure. Links up well. Love to see Roughy back in there aswell