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  • Go_Dogs
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    • Jan 2007
    • 10072

    G#16's Top 20

    Let me preface this by saying that these are my opinions, and I am probably going to be proved wrong about a lot of things. I have seen as much as I can of these kids, and read a lot of information from many sources. Basically, I'm just hoping to encourage a bit more draft discussion, and showcase perhaps a differing point of view to some of the more mainstream thoughts that become gospel at this time of the year.

    Please remember, these aren't where I think they will go, but more an overall best available approach. I have tried to narrow down where they would go in the second paragraph under each players name.

    1. Jack Trengove - 185cm, 82kgs
    Everything that can be said about Jack, has been said. Terrific versatile player, great endurance, great skills, leadership potential and senior football (with finals) experience to boot. Fairly young with a September birthday too, so plenty of development left in him. Just a smooth mover, great decision making, spots up the right options and executes well, has time and composure when other around him don't, and basically just looks the complete package. More a Hird type than say a Voss type, but a very quality kid whose going to play a lot of AFL footy.

    Will end up at Melbourne.

    2. Tom Scully - 182cm, 75kgs
    Just his explosive running ability and work ethic make him a standout. Good inside player with the ability to burst through congestion to release himself or others outside. Good disposal (without being outstanding) by foot, and works hard to create the 2nd option after dishing the ball off.

    Will end up at Melbourne.

    3. Dustin Martin - 186cm, 86kgs.
    Another clear standout with excellent skills, good ability inside and out. Can go forward and kick goals which is an added bonus. Can turn on the speed, and actually reminds me a bit of our #3 selection a few years ago in Ryan Griffen (they look completely different doing what they do, but have similar attributes if that makes sense?!).

    Richmond will surely take him at #3.

    4. Anthony Morabito - 190cm, 90kgs
    Consensus as the #4 selection, and imo the 4th best prospect in the draft. Could end up being the best player, but is also perhaps more risk than the previous 3 selections. Great runner, good mark, strong body and good skills, with a keen eye for goal (do I need to reference mjp here? ). Another with senior football experience who can probably go right into the deep end.

    Barring another Fremantle disaster, he will go at #4.

    5. John Butcher - 197cm, 86kgs
    This is where my rankings get interesting. There are a few others who probably have a greater certainty to become AFL quality players, but Butcher is still the stand out tall forward, and if sides want a quality one they will have to go early. Not the perfect player as his kicking needs some work, but he ticks a lot of boxes which I like for a big man. Agility, hands, defensive work rate and speed. Given a few full pre-seasons to improve his endurance and get his kicking sorted out, he's a very exciting prospect. With his height will be a difficult match up for opposition sides. Will take a year or 2 to develop, but should be worth wait. To me, he's the 5th best player at this stage, and potentially a match winning KF.

    I think he'll be selected by either Sydney at 6 (I know they have a couple options on the go, but will Jesse White go on with it, and will Lewis Johnstone develop? Plus at #14 should be a midfield prospect still available), or if not Port will snaffle him up at either 8 or 9. North are not without a chance at #6 also, but think they'll look to sure up the midfield stocks with the early selection.

    6. Kane Lucas - 188cm, 79kgs
    A very versatile prospect, whose a good size, great runner and can play inside and out. He has a few potential areas to work on and tidy up including his disposal, but he is potentially one of the better, well rounded players in the draft. He's good inside and swooping on a loose ball, or standing up in a tackle, and given some space outside can run and carry the ball. Another who has senior experience, and will be prepared to work on his deficiencies.

    I think Port will seriously consider him at #8 or #9 if available, as he could provide a good combination of inside/outside and fill a hole on the hbf before adding to their midfield mix. West Coast may look at him at #7, and Essendon could also be in the mix at #10 despite many reports to the contrary.

    7. Jasper McMillian-Pittard - 185cm, 72kgs
    My first real surprise. I have liked Jasper quite a lot for a while now, but in the last few weeks he has really shot up mine (and most others) ratings. He is just a skillful player, with solid athletic ability, great hands and great decision making. He looks a natural half back flanker or winger at AFL level. His kicking is not elite, but is still very good and with his decision making, even a non-perfect ball can go to advantage. His leadership is very good and is a real student of the game which increases his standing.

    I think the Crows will seriously consider him at #13 (they love Geelong boys to and have recent success with Dangerfield). I think if available, we'll seriously consider him at #15, and the Swans and Port are both not without a chance at #14 and #16 respectively.

    8. Ben Cunnington - 186cm, 85kgs
    Another of the inside variety of which there is an abundance this year. A real professional who can win his own ball and snag a mark overhead. I have a few question marks about his decision making, awareness and effectiveness under pressure, so he has dropped down a little in my rankings. Sometimes he can look sensational in all areas, but at other times can let himself down and seem a bit panicked. He has a lot to work with though, and with his work ethic, should become a good to very good AFL player. He's ready to go also, which will appeal to a few clubs.

    North at #5 seems to be the go, however he could just as easily go anywhere from #5 - #14, but probably somewhere before #9. Port and Sydney are others, and I think Essendon would be very keen at #10 if he were available.

    9. Aaron Black - 193cm, 78kgs
    I must preface this by saying I have not been able to access much of Black, so am basing a substantial amount of my info on what I've read and heard, mainly from one source in particular who seems to know a bit about Aaron. He seems the next most likely to succeed KPF in the draft, with great hands, speed and senior experience. He can play a variety of positions, and could play a flanker role early on whilst his body develops for the rigors of a key position role. Another who could end up the best player in the draft, and with the success of recent basketball converts like Tippett, is likely to go early.

    Port are certainly in the mix at #8 or #9, especially if they miss out on Butcher, but could easily grab both talls and a mid at #16. Melbourne at #11, and Carlton at #12 also seem likely options. The Crows probably wouldn't, but Sydney at #14 could if they go small at #6. I don't think we will get a look in.

    10. Gary Rohan - 186cm, 79kgs
    Will probably go much higher and end up being the best player, showing me up for the idiot I am, but I just think he doesn't quite get enough of the ball at this stage. His pace is electrifying, his skills aren't bad and he can jump over small buildings. His consistency and ability to continually influence a game are the weaknesses. Not sure where his best position will end up being either, as a mid-sized forward role will probably see him gather 15-20 touches and a few chase downs, but perhaps not impact a game as much as someone with his potential should. I'd really like to see him in a backline role like Harbrow did this season.

    Sydney are a big chance at #6, and the Crows would certainly be interested if he was available at #13. Not sure if Port would take him, and don't think Carlton would want to go with another potentially low possession small-mid sized forward after taking Yarren last year. Sydney would also be a chance at #14.

    11. Luke Tapscott - 180cm, 86kgs
    Quite a few people have him slipping a bit at this stage for various reasons, but he's a fairly skillful kid with a punishing boot and a strong work ethic. He played mainly as a forward, but I'd really like to see him developed like Shannon Hurn, off the back half. His booming kick and serious body size means he could play senior football in 2010, although probably needs to have a solid pre-season to increase his running power. He's a little short, and perhaps a little top heavy, but it's a short draft on the whole. If he can improve his core and leg strength, he may end up being a 70m kick! I'm slightly biased towards the SA kids, but this kid is a good a chance of making it as any of the others remaining, and I like him alot.

    I think he's a good chance to go to Sydney at #14, but don't discount the Crows at #13 either. Port at #16 could certainly be in the mix, and I think he'll certainly go to WC at #22 or #23 at the latest, but most likely earlier.

    12. Lewis Jetta - 178cm, 73kgs
    A skinny, hard/fast running player with good skills and decision making. He still needs some further development with his body, but he's never going to be built in the Pickett mould. He could play a variety of positions at AFL, with the wing and half back probably being his best suited areas. Played senior footy all year and was one of the better players against the SANFL State side, kicking a few goals in that game. He could become a very polished, dashing wing or half back at AFL level, and is again a very good chance of succeeding at AFL level.

    West Coast at #7 are definitely in the mix, but I think Adelaide at #13, Sydney at #14, Bulldogs at #15 and even Port at #16 are all chances of grabbing him. Would provide an immediate impact, and add some zip and run and carry to any side that snares him. If WC or the Crows got him and developed his body like they are known to do...then he could be anything.

    13. Daniel Talia - 194cm, 89kgs
    The most highly rated KP defender in the draft, although may end up a little more in the Everitt/Rance type mould of being more a tall defender, who can play tall or small and who can run off his opponent too. Others say he's more a 'genuine tall', but I'm not convinced (yet probably wrong). He can make some poo decisions, but can also get a ball in some congestion and weigh up the right option by hand or foot, so I think generally he's not too bad.

    I think Melbourne at #11 are not without a shot if the other talls are gone. Carlton at #12 is a strong possibility too, and I think if he slipped to either Sydney or us, either would take him at #14 or #15.

    14. Callum Bartlett - 182cm, 82kgs
    Another who is rapidly rising up the ranks in recent times. A very good kick of the ball, very strong and very quick when he puts the foot down. If he hadn't had the leg injury and had another full year of development he probably would be rated a bit higher, but certainly has a lot of room for development. His work ethic has been demonstrated by his rigorous rehab program. More of an outside/inside mix, but can still win his own ball and is certainly a good enough size to become a very good inside player who can use his acceleration to burst from congestion before kicking a long, left footed ball.

    I'm not sure where he sits in the rankings, but Geelong are apparently very keen at #17. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go late first round, with possibly the Crows and Dogs other chances. Could also be a good chance between #18-#21, and West Coast have also shown a willingness to grab a player whose ratings are injury effected (Tom Swift) so if he makes it to #22/#23 could go there too.
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  • Go_Dogs
    Hall of Fame
    • Jan 2007
    • 10072

    #2
    Re: G#16's Top 20

    15. Jake Melksham - 182cm, 70kgs
    Another who should probably be higher in my rankings, as he has a lot of good attributes that I like. His consistency this season probably sees him here in my rankings, although on the back of his finals series, he probably should be a bit higher and will definitely get drafted before here. A good mix of inside/outside with good kicking skills on both sides of the body. His work in traffic is a feature too, with good hands, vision and decision making. Needs some work on his body and a few concerns regarding his defensive work rate, but these can be ironed out within the AFL environment.

    I think Jake will go to Essendon at #10, although Port are not without a chance at #8 or #9. The Crows, Sydney and the Bulldogs are all potentially in the mix if available after #10, and Carlton are perhaps not without a chance either at #12.

    16. Mark Hutchings - 180cm, 82kgs
    It's no secret that I really like this kid. He's a little on the short side, but as I've said, it's generally a short draft. Mark has senior experience, and can play through the middle or up forward - and I could also see him playing off a hbf. He's just a very good footballer, who can win his own ball and has good enough pace to work outside too. He's strong over the ball, has good hands and can make good decisions in the congestion. Outside in space he's prepared to put the foot down, and his kicking is in the good-very good category without being elite. He's also shown great leadership potential which increases his rankings in my eyes. Could play AFL next year.

    I think he is more a second to third round selection in the draft as there are a lot of inside players and Hutchings probably doesn't have the same scope for improvement as some others, such as a skinny bloke like Crichton. I think Freo and West Coast will both look seriously at him and expect him to go somewhere from #20-#40.

    17. Andrew Hooper - 172cm, 78kgs
    I see a bit of potential Harbrow in Hooper, although he has a lot of work in front of him to improve his endurance as Harbrow has done. Similar sized players, and Hooper seems likely to play a similar role to Harbrow in the backline and could be a good match up on live wire forwards. Good hands, disposal and decision making, as well as a very strong attack on the ball and body for his size. He has good pace, particularly off his first few steps and a good turning circle.

    I see Hooper as more a back end 2nd round selection, however given the success of Harbrow last year and a few other quite small players, I think he'll get a look in. The Crows could be interested in him as a long term replacement for McLeod, but I think a few clubs will be keen on what he offers, including both Sydney and Brisbane who could use his zip.

    18. Joseph Dare - 188cm, 81kgs
    Another Geelong Falcons lad who could go pretty early. A good size lad, who can play in a variety of positions, has good skills and is a natural footballer. His decision making is good and he is very composed with the ball in his hands. He probably lacks a little bit of leg speed, but it isn't a major concern although probably prevents him being rated a bit more highly. A hard worker who should be able to fill a backline role at AFL level.

    I think Port will seriously consider him at #16 (especially given Hocking's addition to their staff) and I think the Crows and Geelong would also be in the mix for Dare as a 2nd rounder.

    19. Brad Sheppard - 186cm, 76kgs
    Another who it wouldn't surprise to see him go higher than this. Has senior experience, a very good weighted kick, good overhead and can play inside and outside. His pace isn't outstanding, but he is certainly quick enough. Could play in a range of positions from half back, through the middle and I'd like to see his deft weighted passes off a half forward position to, as I think he could be a wonderful goal assist player. His kicking on the run is his major downfall, although it is something that can be sorted out. Just tends to kick it a bit up and under, and the balls float rather than steaming to their intended recipient.

    Could be in the mix for Adelaide or Sydney at #13 or #14, but is I think more likely to go around the early part of the 2nd round to one of the WA sides.

    20. Sam Reid - 194cm, 84kgs
    A bit if a surprise here I guess as most people have him as a late 2nd to 3rd rounder. I think he'll be rated a big more highly than that, especially on the back of his very impressive draft camp. His brother Ben was selected inside the top10 and imo, there isn't a whole lot separating them, and this draft is certainly viewed as being a lot weaker than that when Ben was selected by Collingwood. A very good athlete, very bottom aged for this years draft and someone who has a lot of potential for development. With some serious gym work and a bit of development, I think he could potentially become a very good, versatile player at AFL level.

    I think Sam will be selected in the late 2nd round, although it wouldn't surprise me overly to see him snapped up a bit early by someone who really likes the athleticism and potential that Sam has. Carlton, Collingwood and Brisbane are 3 sides that I think could potentially be interested, and I also wouldn't be overly surprised if a side like Adelaide grabbed him and developed him for a few years as a potential replacement for Bock down the track.



    Other names that were in my mix included:

    Ryan Bastinac - 183cm, 74kgs

    Jake Carlisle - 196cm, 83kgs

    Allen Christensen - 176cm, 75kgs

    Travis Colyer - 175cm, 73kgs

    Jesse Crichton - 183cm, 68kgs

    Mitchell Duncan - 188cm, 81kgs

    Ryan Harwood - 184cm, 80kgs

    Daniel Menzel - 185cm, 77kgs

    Andrew Moore - 188cm, 81kgs

    Koby Stevens - 187cm, 83kgs

    Troy Taylor - 188cm, 75kgs

    Luke Thompson - 192cm, 85kgs
    Last edited by Go_Dogs; 22-11-2009, 10:05 AM.
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    • DOG GOD
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jul 2007
      • 6345

      #3
      Re: G#16's Top 20

      Well done Griff...a good read. If i was PORT i would go with 2 talls with 8 and 9 (butcher and talia if available) and a mid at 16. My smokey would be Talia to Swans at pick 6...wouldnt surprise me at all.

      Scully, Trengrove, Martin, Morabito, Cunnington for top 5. Really not sure what the dogs will do...maybe go for best available. personally i wouldnt be a fan of Pettard with pick 15, but i'm sure that him and Bartlett will allow some others to slide.

      Who would be your ideal pick 15 Griff?
      Mine would be Talia, as i think our defense needs a positive CHB upcomer incase Williams cant get those injuries under control.
      I will never see #16 the same!!

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      • The Bulldogs Bite
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 11046

        #4
        Re: G#16's Top 20

        Originally posted by DOG GOD
        Well done Griff...a good read. If i was PORT i would go with 2 talls with 8 and 9 (butcher and talia if available) and a mid at 16. My smokey would be Talia to Swans at pick 6...wouldnt surprise me at all.
        West Coast and Port Adelaide will probably shape the first round. Eagles are expected to draft Jetta but they'll look closely at Lucas and Talia.

        Re; Port - If the Burgoynes hadn't left I'd agree with you DG but they desperately need some class in that midfield. Boak and Hartlett look very promissing and I still think Pearce has plenty to offer but outside of that they're pretty bare in the cupboard. IMO they'll draft a KPF (Butcher or Black) and a midfielder (Melksham?).

        Swans are another interesting side. They're in desperate need of quality mids which they should address with Pick 6 but Pick 14 could be anything.

        Great post too, Griff. Is Hutchings your adopted kid in this draft? I'll be following him in the next few years after what I've read
        W00F!

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        • Go_Dogs
          Hall of Fame
          • Jan 2007
          • 10072

          #5
          Re: G#16's Top 20

          Originally posted by DOG GOD
          Well done Griff...a good read. If i was PORT i would go with 2 talls with 8 and 9 (butcher and talia if available) and a mid at 16. My smokey would be Talia to Swans at pick 6...wouldnt surprise me at all.

          Who would be your ideal pick 15 Griff?
          Mine would be Talia, as i think our defense needs a positive CHB upcomer incase Williams cant get those injuries under control.
          Cheers DG.

          Like you, I think Port will consider going tall at both #8 and #9, but I think it depends on what mids are available there, and which may still be available at #16. Certainly the quality talls will be off the table at #16 one would imagine.

          I tend to think we should go for a good run and carry player at 15, so J M-P would be my bet, although I'd love to snare Lucas, and would also be happy with say Jetta or Bartlett. If Talia is available, I think we'd really consider him too. However it falls, we should be pretty confident of getting a good player at #15 I think.
          Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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          • Go_Dogs
            Hall of Fame
            • Jan 2007
            • 10072

            #6
            Re: G#16's Top 20

            Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
            Great post too, Griff. Is Hutchings your adopted kid in this draft? I'll be following him in the next few years after what I've read
            Haha, no! I certainly think there are some significantly better players than Hutchings, but it is a thin draft, and I think Hutchings would be the sort of guy that could play 200 AFL games. If you can get a couple of those types outside of the first round in this draft, you'd be doing pretty well.

            Hutchings is just an honest footballer who quietly goes about his business and is a bit underrated imo. If he gets picked up, plays a few games and makes me look good I'll be happy.

            A wise man once said claim as many kids as you can, and surely 1 of them might make it.
            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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            • DOG GOD
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jul 2007
              • 6345

              #7
              Re: G#16's Top 20

              I wouldnt be suprised to see Swans go with Talia at 6. They look very thin down back with not alot coming through and could use someone like Talia to cement a CHB for the future. Port will maybe get to pick up a Stevens or Tapscott at 16, so surely will go for 2 talls with 8 and 9 to sure up those book ends for the future. With only Chaplin and Carlisle down back, Talia would fit in nicely, just as Butcher would up fwd to take Tredrea when he retires.

              If freo (and i dont think they will) overlooked Morabito, that could really throw a spanner in the works to what Swans go for. Getting Mcglynn and Kennedy in the trades tells me they arent so concerned with their mids, so for me Talia would be a really good pick for them.

              I'm getting quite excited for Thursday night.
              I will never see #16 the same!!

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              • Throughandthrough
                Coaching Staff
                • Nov 2007
                • 3203

                #8
                Re: G#16's Top 20

                Bump!

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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15190

                  #9
                  Re: G#16's Top 20

                  Originally posted by Throughandthrough
                  Bump!
                  What is the point of this 'bump'?

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                  • Throughandthrough
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 3203

                    #10
                    Re: G#16's Top 20

                    Originally posted by Mantis
                    What is the point of this 'bump'?

                    So we can admire how bloody good G 16 is at this....


                    seriously, have you ever looked into becoming an SA based Scout for the Dogs?

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                    • Go_Dogs
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 10072

                      #11
                      Re: G#16's Top 20

                      Some pretty far off the mark/completely wrong calls by me in this thread alone....

                      What about yourself, you would see way way way more junior footy than me, if only you could see beyond the vast talent down the bay! Haha
                      Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                      • Throughandthrough
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 3203

                        #12
                        Re: G#16's Top 20

                        Originally posted by Griffen#16
                        Some pretty far off the mark/completely wrong calls by me in this thread alone....

                        What about yourself, you would see way way way more junior footy than me, if only you could see beyond the vast talent down the bay! Haha

                        NB what are u doing next Sunday at 3.10 pm...?

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