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  • Hotdog60
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Aug 2009
    • 5908

    Dogged issue for Seagulls

    WILLIAMSTOWN life member Ian Rickman says the VFL club's union with the Western Bulldogs should not be blamed for its on-field struggles this season.



    Ian Rickman. Picture: Glenn Daniels Leader

    Speculation is rife that the Seagulls and their AFL partner will part ways before their contract ends in 2014.

    Williamstown signed a three-year agreement - expiring in 2013 - with the Bulldogs at the start of last year before extending it for an additional season.

    The Seagulls are dangling perilously in the top eight after starting one of the flag favourites.

    Bendigo will join Frankston and Port Melbourne as stand-alone clubs next year, with Essendon to field its own VFL team, and Richmond's partnership with Coburg appears in jeopardy.

    Williamstown general manager Brendan Curry gave a firm "no comment" when asked about the partnership. Quizzed if it would continue to the end of 2014, Curry said: "I don't know."

    VFL operations manager John Hook said most alignments encountered problems. He said: "They have some issues, which are in a lot of alignments. I think Williamstown and the Bulldogs and ourselves are working through those. That's about really all I can say."

    Rickman, who is coach of Williamstown CYMS in the Victorian Amateur Football Association, gave his tick of approval to the alignment.

    "We've been pretty successful with that alignment. We've finished, I think, in the top four the last four or five years, so we haven't done much wrong. The alignment's been pretty good for both clubs," Rickman said.

    "Then all of a sudden we're struggling a bit this year and everyone's blaming the alignment. I'm not sure whether that should be the case.

    "We're just battling a bit this year, that's all, and everyone's looking for excuses."

    Rickman predicted Williamstown did not have the funds to be a stand-alone club.

    "At some stage in the future, we might," he said.

    "A lot of the AFL clubs would probably prefer to have their own team in the VFL. Then they get the full run of the players at training, meetings, match-days and positional play."

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  • Remi Moses
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 14785

    #2
    Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

    Why is Curry giving a "No Comment" when the contract doesn't end until2013?
    Love to see us go "alone".

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    • Missing Dog
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8501

      #3
      Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

      Originally posted by Remi Moses
      Love to see us go "alone".
      And what's the chances of that happening?

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      • Remi Moses
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 14785

        #4
        Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

        Originally posted by bulldogsman
        And what's the chances of that happening?
        More chance of us winning a flag!
        Would have thought we were good to Williamstown last season and certain we're a better partner than ,Let's say Melbourne ( who took all their players out of Casey's finals team a few years back)

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        • Bumper Bulldogs
          Coaching Staff
          • Apr 2008
          • 2969

          #5
          Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

          We need the Club to come out and get on the fron foot here and support the alignment. I can't see how we would even be able to fund having our own side in the comp with the depts we have at the moment.

          Could see it as a huge benefit and I wold hope that it is part of a long term plan, this is the current Geelong model so I'm sure BMac would be super keen.
          BB.

          Looking forward - Naughton, Darcy and JUH. It will be the envy of everyone.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #6
            Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

            I think Williamstown is dreaming a little to go it alone. I for one wont go. They have some loyal fans but not in the Port league. It's not like the 70s when Sunday was reserved for VFA.
            Listen to Chops.

            I understand they want to win premierships but without an AFL alignment they wouldnt exist.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
              Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

              Originally posted by Chops
              I think Williamstown is dreaming a little to go it alone. I for one wont go. They have some loyal fans but not in the Port league. It's not like the 70s when Sunday was reserved for VFA.
              Listen to Chops.

              I understand they want to win premierships but without an AFL alignment they wouldnt exist.
              Perhaps they can't afford to go alone but we sure can't.

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              • Ghost Dog
                WOOF Member
                • May 2010
                • 9404

                #8
                Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                What are the major issues? That we sap the strength of the Willy team?
                I think I know a few seniors in our list that I would gladly send on holiday to Williamstown to lend a hand!
                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                • G-Mo77
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9876

                  #9
                  Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                  Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                  What are the major issues? That we sap the strength of the Willy team?
                  I think I know a few seniors in our list that I would gladly send on holiday to Williamstown to lend a hand!
                  From what I can gather that's what it stems from.

                  I think it's mainly to do with player availability. Randomly resting players and making them unavailable strips Willy of some seriously good talent. If it were injury I doubt they'd have any problem. Nearly each week we scratch our head and ask "What has happened to this player to be dropped" Why isn't this player in the VFL side?" I'm pretty sure that is where most of Willy's frustration is coming from.

                  I was starting to wonder if the Bermuda Triangle existed at the Williamstown Football Club but it seems to be the Macca Triangle hovering over them. Players just disappear with out a trace for a week or two.

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                  • Maddog37
                    WOOF Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3132

                    #10
                    Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                    So it is all about communication?

                    Macca and German need to talk more......?

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                    • comrade
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 18033

                      #11
                      Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                      Originally posted by G-Mo77
                      From what I can gather that's what it stems from.

                      I think it's mainly to do with player availability. Randomly resting players and making them unavailable strips Willy of some seriously good talent. If it were injury I doubt they'd have any problem. Nearly each week we scratch our head and ask "What has happened to this player to be dropped" Why isn't this player in the VFL side?" I'm pretty sure that is where most of Willy's frustration is coming from.

                      I was starting to wonder if the Bermuda Triangle existed at the Williamstown Football Club but it seems to be the Macca Triangle hovering over them. Players just disappear with out a trace for a week or two.
                      By going it alone, they will be stripping themselves of all our talent? Kind of like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

                      If they think it's easy to replicate the success Port Melbourne has achieved, they're in for a rude shock.
                      Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                      • G-Mo77
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9876

                        #12
                        Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                        Originally posted by comrade
                        By going it alone, they will be stripping themselves of all our talent? Kind of like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

                        If they think it's easy to replicate the success Port Melbourne has achieved, they're in for a rude shock.
                        True, maybe it's just a tough stance to improve the arrangements. I know Willy are not short of a dollar and could afford a stand alone team.

                        Bendigo are in a tougher situation next year. I'd like to think they would be competitive in 2013 after ditching Essendon but I see Bendigo Diggers V2 written all over this.

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                        • Murphy'sLore
                          WOOF Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 2085

                          #13
                          Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                          Originally posted by G-Mo77
                          True, maybe it's just a tough stance to improve the arrangements. I know Willy are not short of a dollar and could afford a stand alone team.

                          Bendigo are in a tougher situation next year. I'd like to think they would be competitive in 2013 after ditching Essendon but I see Bendigo Diggers V2 written all over this.
                          Maybe we need them more than they need us.

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #14
                            Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                            Where did williamstown get the money?
                            They were close to going under.

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                            • Remi Moses
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 14785

                              #15
                              Re: Dogged issue for Seagulls

                              Originally posted by comrade
                              By going it alone, they will be stripping themselves of all our talent? Kind of like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

                              If they think it's easy to replicate the success Port Melbourne has achieved, they're in for a rude shock.
                              They've got Port Melbourne envy. Seems they're blaming The Dogs for their fall this year!
                              Imagine what they'd think if we do a "Melbourne"( pull out players before Casey's finals campaign)

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