TAC Future Stars - Phantom Draft

[comrade]

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(problem I see with tutt is that he is good with the ball in space (like eagleton was) , but Im not sure he is good at carrying the ball into space. Players who are only good reciving when they are allready in space are very easy to shut down. Ones that have the ability to carry the ball out of trouble are very hard to shut down. We need more of those.)

It's a good point. Only Griffen (though not so much recently) and Dahlhaus have this ability for us.

A prime example of this type is Motlop from Geelong. He gets the ball in traffic, sees some space and accelerates away.

Which players in this current draft pool fit the bill?

[stefoid]

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It's a good point. Only Griffen (though not so much recently) and Dahlhaus have this ability for us.

A prime example of this type is Motlop from Geelong. He gets the ball in traffic, sees some space and accelerates away.

Which players in this current draft pool fit the bill?

I dont know, mjp will have a good idea. From what Ive read: Garlett, Toumpas, LARS Menzel and maybe Mayes. ORourke and Simpson too?

Grif has about one side-step in his toolbag, but is more of an explosive burst than evasiveness - beats a tag using sheer power. Is much more likely to handball out of trouble than run rings around guys and then kick it like Murphy or Dal can do.

I guess Grif could be the Straight-line-hero poster boy... someone tutt could aspire to emulate - he looks like he has a good build on him. Can anyone definitively say tutty has a burst?

Twinkle-toes Cooney could do it all. sigh

It was mentioned when we drafted howard and tutt that we were moneyballing - identifying an important trait (kicking skills) that was perhaps undervalued and zeroing in on guys who had it.

So obviously howard and tutt, if given time and space, can hit a target by foot on the run. But they have to get the ball in space first. Whereas Dalhaus, with his impossible reflexes and speed, is technically nowhere near as good a kick as those two guys, but one thing he can do is carry the ball out of trouble before dinky-kicking it, which means he ends up being practically more damaging and harder to stop - he has already run 20m out of trouble before identifying the best option and popping the ball over to them.

So maybe we were moneyballing for the wrong trait - we should favour ball-carrying over kicking in general, (but with the great picks we have, we can target players who have both.)

[Dazza]

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Two Robert Murphys would be nice. Quick, evasive and good skills.

#1 priority for mine would be foot skills. Matched up with pace would be ideal.

IMO you can teach a player to go in harder at the ball. But you can't really teach a player to become better with his disposal.

[Bornadog]

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Two Robert Murphys would be nice. Quick, evasive and good skills.

#1 priority for mine would be foot skills. Matched up with pace would be ideal.

IMO you can teach a player to go in harder at the ball. But you can't really teach a player to become better with his disposal.

Must be a prerequisite at the Hawks as their field kicking is second to none.

[stefoid]

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FWIW, I asked some guy from the D&T board:

KM, who are the top 5 best players at carrying the ball out of trouble, as opposed to having to dispose of the ball if pressured?

Jack Viney
Ben Kennedy
Jonothon O'Rouke
Dayle Garlett
Jimmy Toumpas

Im hoping that we get two out of those last three guys with our first two picks. Would turn our midfield fortunes around very quickly and a lot of other stuff would fall into place - scoring and pressure on our defence.

[stefoid]

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MJP, thoughts on ORoruke?

[Throughandthrough]

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Interesting thread.

Both Toumpas and Ben Kennedy are out injured at the moment with the dreaded OP. I'm a big fan of Kennedy, but Toumpas is a class above. Have never seen him play in the backline though.

Cant wait for this years draft!

[Throughandthrough]

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Just had a look at the TAC Future Stars show and Terry Wallace and Ben Dixon had us selecting Jimmy Toumpas and Sam Mayes at picks 5 and 6.
Toumpas is just about AFL ready as a defender and Mayes is a highly skilled forward.

Toumpas in particular would be a hard player for us to pass over.

PS Bloody South Australians


Sam Mayes SA vs Vix Metro u18 2012 AFL SANFL 297 by FlashGordon Photography, on Flickr


Sam Mayes SA vs Vix Metro u18 2012 AFL SANFL 437 by FlashGordon Photography, on Flickr


Sam Mayes Luke McDonald SA vs Vix Metro u18 2012 AFL SANFL 131 by FlashGordon Photography, on Flickr

I think someone here has allready noted who the Sam Mayes look-a-like is!

[ledge]

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Looking at all these mids what happens to Libber, Wallis and Smith?

[FrediKanoute]

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Looking at all these mids what happens to Libber, Wallis and Smith?

Trade bait?

Seriously, not all will end up in a midfield role, some will become HBF's, others wingers, some defensive forwards. Some will however be traded.

[Mofra]

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Looking at all these mids what happens to Libber, Wallis and Smith?

Teams play more than 5 midfielders ledge

[LostDoggy]

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Smith, Dahl and Mayes are all theoretically forwards anyway but can rotate as Mids
Hopefully long term. I'd be happy with Wines, Mayes, O'rourke and I'm still with Stringer at this stage. No more rucks we have plenty and have to bypass Grundy IMO. Worried they'll
Try to turn him into a key forward like the rest of our ruck brigade - it doesn't work 9:10 times

[Mofra]

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Try to turn him into a key forward like the rest of our ruck brigade - it doesn't work 9:10 times

Very few have made the switch - Salmon in his later career, arguably Clark at the Dees (although he was KPF prior to playing ruck for Brissie), Tippett doesn't kick alot of goals but does create chances.
Would have been able to add Darcy to the list if not for knee injuries

[ledge]

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Teams play more than 5 midfielders ledge

Ok add Boyd Griffen cross cooney Picken they all play in the middle a lot

[azabob]

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Ok add Boyd Griffen cross cooney Picken they all play in the middle a lot

Boyd, Cross and Cooney most likely will all be gone in 3 years time.

You can never enough players who can play in the midfield.