Frankston v Williamstown

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Played primarily off a wing. G-Mo, based on how we're travelling many could be a chance. Personally, I don't think he's ready just yet. Would prefer to see him comfortable if not starting to dominate at the lower level (Willy snrs) before we promote him, not unlike what Dahl did a couple of years back. That is, he presents to the point you can no longer deny him a chance.

I agree with these comments that we hold back Hunter Hrovat and Prudden. I would prefer to continue to play Stringer and Macrae plus elevate Roberts and Talia who have already had a taste of senior football. There is also some obligation to continue to play Gia and Cross for the remainder of the season, given their loyal service over many years. Wood and Dickson will also become eligible for selection in the second half of the year. It will be exciting to eventually see the emergence of Hunter etc who will be vying for positions held by the likes of Smith Stevens and Wallis.

[Remi Moses]

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Disagree , the clubs under no obligation to play Cross and Gia.
The club progress should be put before individuals careers .
Farewell game yes, but it's more important to play kids pushing up.

[Doc26]

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Yeah, fair enough. I think that's what we all want but it always seems there is no one trying to break down that door with brute force. Hopefully he'll continue to play good football at Willy.

I've never seen Hunter play and this is probably not a good comparison but a few said that Stringer was not ready before he was promoted to AFL level.

I can appreciate this case. Lachlan is well built for his age, that is physically he would not be too far out of his depth. imo Jake is a bit more developed and arguably fills a greater need / gap right now to what Lachlan would offer us at this time. Moreso, I see Mitch, even Hrovat ahead of Lachie at this time.

Largely, I'm mindful that we need to get a healthy balance between youth and experience and don't want us to throw the baby out with the bath water as we (including our largely inexperienced coaching panel) push the development agenda.

Right now I still believe we need Boyd, Cross and Gia. in our twenty two, not for reasons to do with loyal service, but to show the right leadership to Libba, Dahl, Macrae, Smith, JJ, Jake, Mitch etc. and I don't see room for all our kids just yet.

The challenge of course is that right now we need our senior leaders to step up and go that extra mile to ensure they leave a lasting legacy to the kids of showing them the right way.

[KT31]

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Disagree , the clubs under no obligation to play Cross and Gia.
The club progress should be put before individuals careers .
Farewell game yes, but it's more important to play kids pushing up.

^^^^^^
Agree

[Remi Moses]

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I'd play Hunter. This generation of young players are more prepared to play now than ever before.
The problem is they can only sustain it for a period of time physically.
Gives the members something positive for the weekend

[Cyberdoggie]

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Largely, I'm mindful that we need to get a healthy balance between youth and experience and don't want us to throw the baby out with the bath water as we (including our largely inexperienced coaching panel) push the development agenda.

Right now I still believe we need Boyd, Cross and Gia. in our twenty two, not for reasons to do with loyal service, but to show the right leadership to Libba, Dahl, Macrae, Smith, JJ, Jake, Mitch etc. and I don't see room for all our kids just yet.

The challenge of course is that right now we need our senior leaders to step up and go that extra mile to ensure they leave a lasting legacy to the kids of showing them the right way.

Well put Doc,

It's not really their fault that they are in their declining years yet we are expecting them to still perform at an elite level, as the players below them (or lack of them) aren't stepping up.

In the next two years hardly any of the senior players will be left, and if i was a first or second year player i would want those guys out there by my side to learn off in the mean time.

[Remi Moses]

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I take your point about leadership, but to be honest you can't have Picken Stevens, Boyd , Cross all average to poor kicks in the side. For mine it's Picken or Lower not both. I'd brink in Hunter for Cross or Picken . You can't have an AFL team kicking at 50 %

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Well put Doc,

It's not really their fault that they are in their declining years yet we are expecting them to still perform at an elite level, as the players below them (or lack of them) aren't stepping up.

In the next two years hardly any of the senior players will be left, and if i was a first or second year player i would want those guys out there by my side to learn off in the mean time.

Only 22 players in our 78 years history have made it to 200 games which includes both Gia and Cross. Maybe with 2-3 games before season's end we could offer both a farewell match together. This might be the appropriate time to introduce Hunter Hrovat and Prudden to senior football.

[Doc26]

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I take your point about leadership, but to be honest you can't have Picken Stevens, Boyd , Cross all average to poor kicks in the side. For mine it's Picken or Lower not both. I'd brink in Hunter for Cross or Picken . You can't have an AFL team kicking at 50 %

Koby is vulnerable and Liam must lift and reinvent himself given Lower is filling a role he once owned.

[Remi Moses]

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Efforts not the issue, it's execution decision making that are the issue.
How often we bomb into 50 for example.Theres to many in the line up and it's time to make the call on a few.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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My biggest issue is that we all crowd in for the ball, and continually get exposed on the outside of the contest. It happens with such ridiculous regularity that I cannot fathom how we haven't been able to identify the problem and improve. I understand that we have too many of the same type (ie. inside, slow mids) but their positioning is dreadful. The ball only has to trickle out from the initial contest 2-3 meters and we're caught off guard.

Additionally, the propensity to all run to the opposition player with ball in hand is painful to watch. All they do is loop the ball over our heads and create even more space than they had.

Wallis and Smith are two of the biggest culprits I've seen with this, but much of the side commits the same mistakes. The two who don't are Murphy and JJ -- coincidentally, two players who also create space for themselves before disposing of the ball.

[China Dog]

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Can't wait until we get our own VFL side. It will be much better for the development of our young guys and will allow the coaches the ability to develop the whole game plan with all players. It will be possible to experiment a little more with players in different positions if it is our own team.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Only 22 players in our 78 years history have made it to 200 games which includes both Gia and Cross. Maybe with 2-3 games before season's end we could offer both a farewell match together. This might be the appropriate time to introduce Hunter Hrovat and Prudden to senior football.

I'd like to think they get a game because they deserve it, and not because we just want to give them a taste. Same goes for Wallis, he's struggled at AFL level because his natural game isn't really good enough, and he's had to change his style to be more in and under. Unfortunately he now doesn't have any confidence to back himself and disposes of the ball as soon as he touches it. Some time at Willy learning to re-discover what made him an elite junior would be ideal.

I think Hrovat, Hunter and Prudden will get games in the near future, i just hope it's because they are cutting it up in the vfl like Macrae and Stringer were.

[jeemak]

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My biggest issue is that we all crowd in for the ball, and continually get exposed on the outside of the contest. It happens with such ridiculous regularity that I cannot fathom how we haven't been able to identify the problem and improve. I understand that we have too many of the same type (ie. inside, slow mids) but their positioning is dreadful. The ball only has to trickle out from the initial contest 2-3 meters and we're caught off guard.

Additionally, the propensity to all run to the opposition player with ball in hand is painful to watch. All they do is loop the ball over our heads and create even more space than they had.

Wallis and Smith are two of the biggest culprits I've seen with this, but much of the side commits the same mistakes. The two who don't are Murphy and JJ -- coincidentally, two players who also create space for themselves before disposing of the ball.

Agree whole heartedly TBB.

This was even an issue under Eade in 2009-2010 when we were challenging for top four spots. I'm so sick of seeing it week in, week out.

[Remi Moses]

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If there was a handball to disadvantage stat, we'd be leading it.
Ball movement is sub standard.