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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 66828

    The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

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    THE Western Bulldogs have made a double-barrelled assault on two Essendon forwards - Scott Gumbleton and Stewart Crameri.

    They hope to squirrel one of the out-of-contract key forwards out of Windy Hill at the end of the season, although they are expected to have competition for Gumbleton from Carlton.

    Crameri is expected to re-sign with the Bombers. The Bulldogs and Blues gave 24-year-old Gumbleton a medical assessment last year, which he failed.

    He signed a one-year contract at the Bombers and has proved this year he is over his hamstring/back complaints and has played every game, be it in the AFL or VFL.

    The emergence of Joe Daniher makes it increasingly likely Gumbleton would remain a back-up forward if he chose to stay at Windy Hill.

    The Bulldogs are desperate to bulk up their forward line to assist the emerging Liam Jones, while the Blues need key forwards which would mean (1) they didn't play their ruckmen out of the goalsquare and (2) they could entertain a trade for either Robert Warnock or Shaun Hampson.

    Gumbleton could earn as much as $300,000 - which would be heavily incentive-based - if he switched clubs.

    With Gumbleton a No.2 draft pick, the Bombers would hope for an early second-round selection in a trade.

    Crameri, also 24, is the No.1 target for the Dogs and their offer is about $450,000 a season for three years.

    The Bombers have countered with an offer of about $350,000-$380,000 a season.

    Although Crameri struck up a close relationship with Bulldogs coach Brendan McCartney during McCartney's one year at Essendon, his relationship with Bombers coach James Hird is almost certain to result in him knocking back rival offers.

    The Bombers are extremely confident Crameri will sign a new contract.

    The worry is exactly when.

    Manager Paul Connors is in charge of Gumbleton and Crameri, and Connors is currently overseas.

    There is a belief he wants to wait until the drugs investigation is over before completing any deals.

    Bulldogs chief executive Simon Garlich last night would not discuss specific names, but said the club would be aggressive in the market place, nowithstanding GWS auctioning off of the No.1 pick in the national draft.

    "We will be similar to most clubs and we will going as hard as we can within reason," Garlich said. "We will be targeting specific players in assisting us."

    The Blues will meet during the coming weeks to discuss their list management, including Gumbleton.

    Another out-of-contract Bomber, Tom Bellchambers, is understood to be of interest to GWS and Collingwood.
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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #2
    Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

    Yah. Gumby. Whoo.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • SlimPickens
      Coaching Staff
      • Aug 2010
      • 2929

      #3
      Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
      Yah. Gumby. Whoo.
      Any chance of being constructive?

      Why don't you like Gumby? Injury prone? The way he plays?

      We are screaming out for a tall option across half forward and lets face it there isn't a huge amount out there. Gumby has shown something at the level and may be able to offer us something.
      "Loves a scrap....oh yeah & he's a pretty handy footballer as well"

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      • Greystache
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Dec 2009
        • 9775

        #4
        Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

        Originally posted by SlimPickens
        Any chance of being constructive?

        Why don't you like Gumby? Injury prone? The way he plays?

        We are screaming out for a tall option across half forward and lets face it there isn't a huge amount out there. Gumby has shown something at the level and may be able to offer us something.
        I know what you're saying but it's just another case of us chasing the 25th best player at another club hoping he can be the 19th best player at our club and thinking that'll help us beat the best teams. We've been doing it decades and it's never worked.

        It should be our club's mantra
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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34289

          #5
          Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

          Originally posted by SlimPickens
          Any chance of being constructive?

          Why don't you like Gumby? Injury prone? The way he plays?

          We are screaming out for a tall option across half forward and lets face it there isn't a huge amount out there. Gumby has shown something at the level and may be able to offer us something.
          Sure. Einstein once said "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results".

          So lets look at recent history as a Precursor of the clubs current trajectory.

          Growing our own: Grgic, Sexton, Ballantyne, Hargreaves, Bowden, David Round, Wiggins, Aaron James, Saunders, Timmy Walsh, Wight, Everitt, Tiller, Wells etc.

          Trading in: Cook, Jakovich, Trent Bartlett (ok, I love the ugg), Jade Rawlings, McDougall, etc.


          So reverse engineering Einsteins statement, if we keep doing things as we have it is INSANITY!!!

          Trading for dud forwards and trying to grow our own, predominantly from mid range draft because we need mids, has been an epic failure. Gumby would etch his name is a proud history of failed KPF at the WBFC. Taking a mid at pick 3 would be safe and trying to take a speculative tall hasn't worked for us either.

          We would be walking down the same path and with years more without premiership success, we can come back to this thread and rejoice in the fact we were too weak to have the balls to forge our own destiny. But as membership continues to plummet, it ma not be WOOF anymore, perhaps ASOF... Aurora Stadium Online Forum.

          INSANITY according to the worlds most intelligent ever person.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • 1eyedog
            Hall of Fame
            • Mar 2008
            • 13240

            #6
            Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

            Originally posted by Greystache
            I know what you're saying but it's just another case of us chasing the 25th best player at another club hoping he can be the 19th best player at our club and thinking that'll help us beat the best teams. We've been doing it decades and it's never worked.

            It should be our club's mantra
            I see it as acquiring the best forward possible at the time to assist Jones by potentially taking the best backman and providing him a chop out with all the double teaming he gets.

            Not sure why we didn't go harder at Gumby last year if he is being used to progress Jones' development. Ultimately though, this is secondary to securing a more front-liner like Crameri who would be a good footballer for us for five years. Still, Crameri and Jones are different players so would command different opposition. I'm not sure getting Crameri is going to help Jones as much as a Gumbleton would, at least not directly. In saying that Crameri would be a better option for us as a club due to his reliability and flexibility up forward.
            But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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            • Greystache
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Dec 2009
              • 9775

              #7
              Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

              Originally posted by 1eyedog
              I see it as acquiring the best forward possible at the time to assist Jones by potentially taking the best backman and providing him a chop out with all the double teaming he gets.
              I see it as acquiring the best available forward possible at the time without actually risking giving up anything to get them.
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              • 1eyedog
                Hall of Fame
                • Mar 2008
                • 13240

                #8
                Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                Sure. Einstein once said "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results".

                So lets look at recent history as a Precursor of the clubs current trajectory.

                Growing our own: Grgic, Sexton, Ballantyne, Hargreaves, Bowden, David Round, Wiggins, Aaron James, Saunders, Timmy Walsh, Wight, Everitt, Tiller, Wells etc.

                Trading in: Cook, Jakovich, Trent Bartlett (ok, I love the ugg), Jade Rawlings, McDougall, etc.


                So reverse engineering Einsteins statement, if we keep doing things as we have it is INSANITY!!!

                Trading for dud forwards and trying to grow our own, predominantly from mid range draft because we need mids, has been an epic failure. Gumby would etch his name is a proud history of failed KPF at the WBFC. Taking a mid at pick 3 would be safe and trying to take a speculative tall hasn't worked for us either.

                We would be walking down the same path and with years more without premiership success, we can come back to this thread and rejoice in the fact we were too weak to have the balls to forge our own destiny. But as membership continues to plummet, it ma not be WOOF anymore, perhaps ASOF... Aurora Stadium Online Forum.

                INSANITY according to the worlds most intelligent ever person.
                You forgot Minton-Connell who was actually very good for us. Barry Hall also, but you knew what you were getting there. You either luck in or luck out with tall forwards and we have lucked out. Still, Gumby has shown patches of being a better tall forward than 90% of the names you've put up there.
                But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                • 1eyedog
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 13240

                  #9
                  Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                  Originally posted by Greystache
                  I see it as acquiring the best available forward possible at the time without actually risking giving up anything to get them.
                  I don't see a lot of ready made forwards out there. Problem also is we don't have that much to offer and if it's a gun forward we'd get trumped again at the trade table anyway.
                  But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                  • Greystache
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9775

                    #10
                    Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                    Originally posted by 1eyedog
                    Problem is we don't have that much to offer and if it's a gun forward we'd get trumped again at the trade table anyway.
                    Why do we get trumped? We've got really early picks and a salary cap almost at the minimum required, yet we give up hope before we even start.

                    Trading in fringe types to be role players or to fill gaps in a team looking to challenge for a flag is fine. What is ridiculous is trading late picks for fringe types to play key roles. It's never worked and never will.

                    I don't mind Gumby as a player, he's a good ordinary player, but we're in a position at the moment to really bring in a gun and settling for the surplus to needs players at other clubs is the soft option.
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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      #11
                      Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                      Originally posted by 1eyedog
                      You forgot Minton-Connell who was actually very good for us. Barry Hall also, but you knew what you were getting there. You either luck in or luck out with tall forwards and we have lucked out. Still, Gumby has shown patches of being a better tall forward than 90% of the names you've put up there.
                      Rawlings: number one KPF target getting the best defender at Hawthorn kicked 35 goals in 2003
                      McDougall: 35 goals in 20 games in 2004
                      Cook: 35 goals in 22 games in 1994/5

                      Gumby: 7 years, 44 goals in 32 games.


                      Yeah, much better than what we've been trading for. INSANITY.
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • The Bulldogs Bite
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 11269

                        #12
                        Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                        If we got Gumby for next to nothing, I have no problem with it and I would hope we still try and secure Boyd.

                        Gumby is still young, he's pretty talented and has shown he can play at the top level. The only blight on him has been his durability which appears to have improved this season, so once again, as long as we don't cough up much to get him, why not?
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                        • Dry Rot
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6448

                          #13
                          Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                          Originally posted by bornadog

                          The Blues will meet during the coming weeks to discuss their list management, including Gumbleton.

                          Another out-of-contract Bomber, Tom Bellchambers, is understood to be of interest to GWS and Collingwood.
                          Two points:

                          1. Carlton appear to be our main KPF competition

                          2. If GWS get Bellchambers, they won't want/need Minson as part of a Dogs trade for pick 1.
                          The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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                          • Dry Rot
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6448

                            #14
                            Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                            Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                            If we got Gumby for next to nothing, I have no problem with it and I would hope we still try and secure Boyd.

                            Gumby is still young, he's pretty talented and has shown he can play at the top level. The only blight on him has been his durability which appears to have improved this season, so once again, as long as we don't cough up much to get him, why not?
                            What's "much" for him?

                            IMO we should make more of the AFL rules which have been used against us ie get Gumby for nix via the PSD
                            The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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                            • Greystache
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 9775

                              #15
                              Re: The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

                              Originally posted by Dry Rot
                              What's "much" for him?

                              IMO we should make more of the AFL rules which have been used against us ie get Gumby for nix via the PSD
                              The impression he's given is Gumby won't want to manipulate things so Essendon gets stitched up. Even if he leaves I think he still feels some loyalty to them.
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