The Western Bulldogs are targeting two Essendon key forwards

[Bornadog]

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I feel your pain and I agree. Just watching the under 18's why don't we just draft our own players.

Now that's a novel idea.

[Bulldog Joe]

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We have cap space, so I hope Jason McCartney is looking at every option. This years free agents but also 2014 free agents.

I have no idea who they are but McCartney surely would if he is doing his job.

If everyone is expecting that 2014 is another bottom 4, then the end of next season could be the time for a big fish.

There is also the possibility that we could prise a key player from their current club if they are on a contract that expires in 2014 but we can give them years longer on better terms.

So you would explore Roughead at Hawthorn, Reiwoldt at Richmond, Reid from Sydney, Kennedy from West Coast, Hurley at Essendon.

The contract status is only part of the issue, but we need to be in the game. There are also emerging players that can be considered.

[wimberga]

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What about Dale Thomas?! I think he adds a lot of what we need, would be a huge coup and bring significant media exposure to our club.

Is it worth trying? how much would he cost?

[boydogs]

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What about Dale Thomas?! I think he adds a lot of what we need, would be a huge coup and bring significant media exposure to our club.

Is it worth trying? how much would he cost?

Been some discussion on Dale in other threads

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthread.php?p=324475

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthread.php?p=325766

[Ghost Dog]

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I know what you're saying but it's just another case of us chasing the 25th best player at another club hoping he can be the 19th best player at our club and thinking that'll help us beat the best teams. We've been doing it decades and it's never worked.

It should be our club's mantra

Ding Ding! Post of the day.

[Ghost Dog]

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It's not a great year in terms of available forwards, J Riewoldt being the biggest name and Crameri the best of the mid range which are both worth a try for. Riewoldt would at least bring some attention and excitement to a club desperately needing it. Otherwise I would go for Boyd.

We should have have had a huge crack at Roughead when he was getting dicked around by the hawks or Walker when he was behind Tippett.

It doesn't have to be a forward, there's no reason we can't throw a big offer at a midfielder with good skills.

At this stage, I'd settle for a good sized forward / Mid with good skills, than a big forward, who's at the end of his career, injury prone, or with suspect skills.

[Markland]

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Talking about working on our own, who used to watch Podsiadly, kick a bag at Werribee every week, and let Geelong pick him up for nothing. Hello, he was playing with the Bulldog reserves. Jones has played 50 games now, show something!

[bulldogtragic]

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Talking about working on our own, who used to watch Podsiadly, kick a bag at Werribee every week, and let Geelong pick him up for nothing. Hello, he was playing with the Bulldog reserves. Jones has played 50 games now, show something!

Welcome to WOOF markland. Fair cop on Jones. Whilst he has shown much more than Grant, and his future is seemingly brighter, statisticly they are nearly identical after 50 games. I was supremely confident a few years ago that it wouldn't be the case.

[The Underdog]

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Quite a rant, good effort. But you've gone off on a tangent with regard to my comments.

I'm not saying we're shit. If that's the inference you draw, so be it. I'm saying that continuing on with business as usual and expecting things to change is fanciful, an by definition insanity. I laid out 20 years of history of drafting and trading for talls, I don't think the club can state it's proud of its record.

I'm not saying Addison and a fourth rounder for Buddy, despite the assertion. I'm saying life is a risk and most here don't want to take one. Gumby will not change our fortunes. Continually looking at tall project players mid draft are far less likely to change things. I for one advocate that the club needs to be "all in" when it comes to getting Boyd. I'm not saying give everything away, but to just say no and stick with our history of drafting/trading talls is a far bigger risk.

If we continue on as usual, then membership, sponsorship and attendances will be down. I for one would feel like Gumby and "best available" would be Groundhog Day. I think landing Boyd would be a monumental boom for the club. You can build a team, club and marketing campaign around him. I will be a member until the day I die, but the sense of excitement I would have would be off the scale.

As I've said a heap on here, it's risk/reward. You want the spoils, then as Sean Connery said in the untouchables, "what are you prepared to do.".

So we go all in. Looking at our list the only players I can see might get us #1 are Griffen, who has already been discounted from a trade or a mixture of 2 players and to be honest the closest I could come up with is Minson and Liberatore. I can't see who else they'd want. They're fine for tall forwards, we don't have any experienced tall defenders, most of their emerging mids are better than ours and we have no one in the 22-26 range who is worth shit. I'd love to get Boyd too, but I'm *!*!*!*!ed if I know how we do it.

[bulldogtragic]

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So we go all in. Looking at our list the only players I can see might get us #1 are Griffen, who has already been discounted from a trade or a mixture of 2 players and to be honest the closest I could come up with is Minson and Liberatore. I can't see who else they'd want. They're fine for tall forwards, we don't have any experienced tall defenders, most of their emerging mids are better than ours and we have no one in the 22-26 range who is worth shit. I'd love to get Boyd too, but I'm *!*!*!*!ed if I know how we do it.

I can live with your thinking. Throwing the kitchen sink at changing our destiny and being outbid says much more than being conservative and recycling a fringe player from another side who will somehow turn into much better player because we need a forward. Got to be in it to win it.

[lemmon]

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I can live with your thinking. Throwing the kitchen sink at changing our destiny and being outbid says much more than being conservative and recycling a fringe player from another side who will somehow turn into much better player because we need a forward. Got to be in it to win it.

I feel sorry for the kid if that's the type of pressure you want to put on him

[bulldogtragic]

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I feel sorry for the kid if that's the type of pressure you want to put on him

It's not me per se. It's the leadership and management groups of half a dozen AFL clubs who think this. I'm just taking my lead from Simon Garlick who has said publicly we are after pick one, in order to get Boyd. Obviously Garlick is not content with the 3rd best junior. Good for him and the club for thinking outside the square.

[lemmon]

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It's not me per se. It's the leadership and management groups of half a dozen AFL clubs who think this. I'm just taking my lead from Simon Garlick who has said publicly we are after pick one, in order to get Boyd. Obviously Garlick is not content with the 3rd best junior. Good for him and the club for thinking outside the square.

Can you show me where that was reported?

[bulldogtragic]

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Can you show me where that was reported?

I'm pretty certain his main comments were on radio. They were quite emphatic. I will try to get them. This is what I found on news.com

" Bulldogs chief executive Simon Garlick last night would not discuss specific names, but said the club would be aggressive in the market place, notwithstanding GWS auctioning off of the No.1 pick in the national draft.
"We will be similar to most clubs and we will going as hard as we can within reason,"


At the Presser today, it wasn't denied, only that Griff was not on the table.

[lemmon]

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I'm pretty certain his main comments were on radio. They were quite emphatic. I will try to get them. This is what I found on news.com

" Bulldogs chief executive Simon Garlick last night would not discuss specific names, but said the club would be aggressive in the market place, notwithstanding GWS auctioning off of the No.1 pick in the national draft.
"We will be similar to most clubs and we will going as hard as we can within reason,"


At the Presser today, it wasn't denied, only that Griff was not on the table.

Unless the radio comments are different the bow you are drawing is ridiculous, in what you've presented Garlick hasn't even mentioned Boyd or the number one pick! You've construed your opinion as some sort of club strategy when there is no evidence of that being the case, how can you say you've taken your lead from Garlick?