RIP Malcolm Fraser.

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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #16
    Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

    Originally posted by Webby
    Bob Hawke would be shitting himself!
    Vale Bob Hawke.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • Bulldog4life
      WOOF Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 9607

      #17
      Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
      Vale Bob Hawke.
      Yes agree BT. Met him once. Very easy to talk to. I had a chuckle to see his death under the thread on Malcolm Fraser.

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34289

        #18
        Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

        Originally posted by Bulldog4life
        Yes agree BT. Met him once. Very easy to talk to. I had a chuckle to see his death under the thread on Malcolm Fraser.
        That was my small tribute.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • Webby
          WOOF Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 1880

          #19
          Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

          Originally posted by hujsh
          I wouldn't describe myself a being a big fan of either Latham or Fraser. I'm not super familiar with Latham's current writings/opinions now either apart from calling Kevin Rudd evil.

          To my knowledge he might occasionally criticise Labor but is still largely in line with their policies and identifies as a Labor voter, as opposed to Fraser who seemed to completely distance himself from the Liberal party. To my knowledge there aren't many former leaders who've gone that far.
          Funny being prompted to look back on this one a few years later!

          Safe to say Latham had, in fact, distanced himself from Labor. So question is, do you admire Latham for having the ‘bravery’ to depart from his ideologies in the manner that Malcolm Fraser did?

          Or is it simply that you’re left leaning and admired someone on the right for flipping to your way of seeing things?
          (Kind of a rhetorical question.)

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          • Remi Moses
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 14785

            #20
            Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

            Latham’s a complete loon
            R.i.p Bob
            Coming back from Moorabbin after a famous comeback win in 83 Hawkey’s limo rocked up at the lights .
            Sees the scarf hanging out the window and pulls down his window and chats about the footy !
            Dead set legend

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            • Bulldog4life
              WOOF Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 9607

              #21
              Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

              Originally posted by Remi Moses
              Latham’s a complete loon
              R.i.p Bob
              Coming back from Moorabbin after a famous comeback win in 83 Hawkey’s limo rocked up at the lights .
              Sees the scarf hanging out the window and pulls down his window and chats about the footy !
              Dead set legend
              Yes agree Latham is a nut job even when he was with Labour.

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              • hujsh
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2007
                • 11841

                #22
                Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

                Originally posted by Webby
                Funny being prompted to look back on this one a few years later!

                Safe to say Latham had, in fact, distanced himself from Labor. So question is, do you admire Latham for having the ‘bravery’ to depart from his ideologies in the manner that Malcolm Fraser did?

                Or is it simply that you’re left leaning and admired someone on the right for flipping to your way of seeing things?
                (Kind of a rhetorical question.)
                I don't see much 'bravery' in Latham. Just anger, resentment and desperation to stay relevant

                Fraser didn't 'flip' or depart from his ideologies. He was consistent in his views rather than following the party line of the day. Latham either changed his views later in life or hid them when he was a part of Labor. But sure, the fact that his views aren't reprehensible helps me to find that admirable (eg if an old person stuck to the idea that races should be segregated I'd not find that so great). Fraser only 'flipped' from being a member of the party. We'd have not seen eye to eye on most issues.

                (I might also have forgot Fraser died until this thread came back)
                [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                • Twodogs
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 27655

                  #23
                  Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

                  Originally posted by Remi Moses
                  Latham’s a complete loon
                  R.i.p Bob
                  Coming back from Moorabbin after a famous comeback win in 83 Hawkey’s limo rocked up at the lights .
                  Sees the scarf hanging out the window and pulls down his window and chats about the footy !
                  Dead set legend
                  Ian Williams from the boundary with the late winner and Trevor Barker pleading with the goal umpire that he'd touched it and getting angrier and angrier when the umpire signaled a goal. Me and my mates going off our heads screaming and yelling that we'd won until we realised that we were the only Footscray supporters in the whole stand and everyone else had turned around or otherwise adjusted their line of sight to glare at us. We didn't care, we were 45 points behind when Beazer kicked that goal just before 3/4 time to make the difference 39 points at the break.

                  God knows why we had even stayed, it was all academic, we were getting abused and spat on and the boys were getting thrashed. I cant even remember why on earth we sitting in the Huggins stand, every other time I remember going to Moorabbin we stood at the opposite end.

                  But then Neil Cordy takes a mark in the goal square in the first minute of the last quarter, plays on and kicks the goal and we were never going to lose from that stage.
                  They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 66723

                    #24
                    Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

                    Originally posted by Twodogs
                    Ian Williams from the boundary with the late winner and Trevor Barker pleading with the goal umpire that he'd touched it and getting angrier and angrier when the umpire signaled a goal. Me and my mates going off our heads screaming and yelling that we'd won until we realised that we were the only Footscray supporters in the whole stand and everyone else had turned around or otherwise adjusted their line of sight to glare at us. We didn't care, we were 45 points behind when Beazer kicked that goal just before 3/4 time to make the difference 39 points at the break.

                    God knows why we had even stayed, it was all academic, we were getting abused and spat on and the boys were getting thrashed. I cant even remember why on earth we sitting in the Huggins stand, every other time I remember going to Moorabbin we stood at the opposite end.

                    But then Neil Cordy takes a mark in the goal square in the first minute of the last quarter, plays on and kicks the goal and we were never going to lose from that stage.
                    Yeah, I was there but in the outer. I dared not go anywhere near the Saints supporters.
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                    • Remi Moses
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 14785

                      #25
                      Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

                      Originally posted by Twodogs
                      Ian Williams from the boundary with the late winner and Trevor Barker pleading with the goal umpire that he'd touched it and getting angrier and angrier when the umpire signaled a goal. Me and my mates going off our heads screaming and yelling that we'd won until we realised that we were the only Footscray supporters in the whole stand and everyone else had turned around or otherwise adjusted their line of sight to glare at us. We didn't care, we were 45 points behind when Beazer kicked that goal just before 3/4 time to make the difference 39 points at the break.

                      God knows why we had even stayed, it was all academic, we were getting abused and spat on and the boys were getting thrashed. I cant even remember why on earth we sitting in the Huggins stand, every other time I remember going to Moorabbin we stood at the opposite end.

                      But then Neil Cordy takes a mark in the goal square in the first minute of the last quarter, plays on and kicks the goal and we were never going to lose from that stage.
                      Chris Hansen on the run from 50 and moving like an Olympic sprinter

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                      • Remi Moses
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 14785

                        #26
                        Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

                        Ian Williams was one tremendous kick for goal
                        80’s version of Paul Hudson

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                        • Remi Moses
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 14785

                          #27
                          Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

                          Politicians are just so wooden now in comparison

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                          • Twodogs
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27655

                            #28
                            Re: RIP Malcolm Fraser.

                            Originally posted by Remi Moses
                            Chris Hansen on the run from 50 and moving like an Olympic sprinter
                            That was the one that got us within a goal IIRC. Then Possum Williams gets the free and converts from miles out to put us in front.


                            Chris Hansen was a decent player but his real value to us was that Fitzroy threw Peter Foster in as steak knives to get his deal over the line.
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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