Maribyrnong River

[Jasper]

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Because you and others just take what the MSM feed you. There is an enquiry about to happen to see if that wall did contribute to the flooding. I wait there decision.

You should know me by now, I like to hear two sides of every story.

Wow just wow.
You collected a few of us on the way through.

[Bornadog]

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Wow just wow.
You collected a few of us on the way through.

You = the royal you, ie the general public. The majority of media is run by Murdoch, and I take no notice of that shit

[Bornadog]

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I didn't know you were cooked. I'll keep this in mind in future.

Is this a joke.

Why can't you accept that Melbourne water will review the wall to see if it contributed to flooding.

[Twodogs]

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Okeydoke. Thats about it I reckon.

*Edit. Reopened. I've found my popcorn.

[EasternWest]

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Is this a joke.

Why can't you accept that Melbourne water will review the wall to see if it contributed to flooding.

Because I don't need a reviews to tell me what I'm seeing with my eyes.

Why am I not supposed to believe my eyes but I am supposed to get on board with your theory about a lot of concrete in the ground?

I think a review is a good idea, but common sense says if you're going to block a flood plain, then somewhere else is going to flood.

Also, I apologise for the "cooked" comment, it was meant to be tongue in cheek but I can see when I look at it on screen it doesn't come across that way.

I do still think it's a bit weird that you think your theory holds more weight than what's actually in the pictures - I never mentioned media.

[jazzadogs]

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I don't trust the mainstream media, but I also don't trust the gambling industry and politicians. I would be very surprised if the initial process was independent, with minister Kate Delahunty overruling the advice that it was not safe. I will also be very surprised if this process is independent with no pockets being filled by VRC/gambling companies.

I also have no doubt that the wall did worsen the flooding to the surrounding areas - it's a long time since I studied physics, but isn't it the theory of displacement?

[soupman]

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Fwiw the floodrisk map for the Maribyrnong makes it pretty clear that Flemington is a pretty important area for holding water (see this link)

Unsure how big a cause it would be towards houses flooding but it would seem likely that it has contributed to some degree.

[hujsh]

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Fwiw the floodrisk map for the Maribyrnong makes it pretty clear that Flemington is a pretty important area for holding water (see this link)

Unsure how big a cause it would be towards houses flooding but it would seem likely that it has contributed to some degree.

At best it's a very bad look

[azabob]

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Because you and others just take what the MSM feed you. There is an enquiry about to happen to see if that wall did contribute to the flooding. I wait there decision.

You should know me by now, I like to hear two sides of every story.

I only know the online BAD but IMO you are fairly black and white in your points of view and you express them strongly.

Your position seems fairly clear on the fact the racecourse wall hasn't contributed to the floods, which is ok but don't be so dismissive in saying posters on woof are sheep and lap up the Murdoch press.

Not sure how familiar you are with the surrounding streets of the racecourse but for me what is extremely telling is those streets flooded and the racecourse did not. We are talking flooding to height of car roofs, so not ankle deep water.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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When the wall was proposed, the 3 councils affected. Footscray, City of Melbourne and Moonee Valley ALL voted against the proposal because it would MAKE FLOODING WORSE.

Water experts advised against it. Community groups all campaigned against it before it was built. Mary Delahunty, ignoring all local governments, community groups and expert advice, approved the project.

"The racecourse was originally crown land. At the time of the first race meeting in 1840 the land was acquired from the Lang brothers and regarded by the government as Crown Land. Furthermore, the site was technically governed by New South Wales (the Port Phillip District only became the separate colony of Victoria in 1851).

It was the Governor of New South Wales who formally ordered that a site of 352 acres be considered as a public racecourse in 1848".

It was considered a floodplain and couldn't be built on, so it was given to the VRC to be used as a race course.

These are not 'opinions'. These are facts.

There will be mountains of documents from council meetings to be investigated. Clearly one group was given preferential treatment over another. I look forward to a full enquiry.

And I take DEEP offence at being labelled a Murdoch sheep our whatever the general slur exactly was. I feel bad using Murdoch's junk to even light a fire.

[Bornadog]

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I only know the online BAD but IMO you are fairly black and white in your points of view and you express them strongly.

Well you are wrong, I like to see evidence before I make up my mind.

Your position seems fairly clear on the fact the racecourse wall hasn't contributed to the floods, which is ok but don't be so dismissive in saying posters on woof are sheep and lap up the Murdoch press.

a) Never said the racecourse didn't contribute to the flood as I am not an engineer. I said I would like the review to tell us what the effect of the wall is.

b) Murdoch reference is a general comment - read in the paper and think it is true.

"The racecourse was originally crown land. At the time of the first race meeting in 1840 the land was acquired from the Lang brothers and regarded by the government as Crown Land. Furthermore, the site was technically governed by New South Wales (the Port Phillip District only became the separate colony of Victoria in 1851).

It was the Governor of New South Wales who formally ordered that a site of 352 acres be considered as a public racecourse in 1848".

It was considered a floodplain and couldn't be built on, so it was given to the VRC to be used as a race course.

You build your house near a river and it will flood at some stage. Before the wall, there were many floods along the river that effected houses. I lived in the area for a short while back in the 80s, and I also remember the 74 floods as I went to FIT. The area was devastated, but now there are buildings on the old ammunition site and those poor buggers have also copped it.

And I take DEEP offence at being labelled a Murdoch sheep our whatever the general slur exactly was. I feel bad using Murdoch's junk to even light a fire.

There was no slur, it was a general comment - sometimes people don't consider the alternative views and take what is written in a paper as gospel. Not directed at anyone in particular.

PS: I am no longer contributing to this thread.

[EasternWest]

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Well PS: I am no longer contributing to this thread.

You literally said you didn't agree that the wall was responsible for the flooding. "Don't agree" were your exact words in response to someone being filthy about a flood wall (the clue is in the name) being built.

And before you might say I'm cherry picking your comments you'll note I have conceded that there might be merit in your theory about built up development.

It's ok to admit your take was wrong from time to time.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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It was a slur

[Stevo]

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There is a serious ivory tower theme happening and apparently most of us are being lead by Murdoch.

[Grantysghost]

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I think BAD is trying to say that there might be other reasons, which many have agreed to.

The Murdoch thing I agree with, but not that this group is taking that as gospel. I don't think BAD would mean that tbh, but he probably worded it poorly and clarified it later.

Also BAD called it FIT (Footscray Institute of Technology) which is a classic throwback. I went to VU there in the 90s.

Whichever side of the wall you sit on, it's going to be fascinating to watch them brush this under the murky Maribyrnong waters!

Personally I don't read or listen to the news, that photo is probably good evidence for me that a flood basin is not flooded.