England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

[ledge]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

Is this performance an inditement on Clarke and they are happy he is going ?

[GVGjr]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

Well said Twodogs, hopefully the selectors find the sort of players with the grit for test match cricket and batsman who put some value of their wicket.

[azabob]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

Is this performance an inditement on Clarke and they are happy he is going ?

I think you are drawing a very very long bow.

Then how do you explain the summer just gone and the test we won earlier this series?

[GVGjr]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

I think you are drawing a very very long bow.

Then how do you explain the summer just gone and the test we won earlier this series?

Agreed, my take is that bad batting habits haven't been discouraged because we are too quick to accept that getting out by playing rash shots is part of their natural game. They have been coached that way and it isn't working.

[Remi Moses]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

You only have to look at park cricket to see how much cricket has deteriorated .
Batting is just awful

[Remi Moses]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

Is this performance an inditement on Clarke and they are happy he is going ?

In an ashes series it's an indictment on the players.
Plenty haven't got along with each other in the past.
Kim Hughes didn't get along with Lillee and Marsh for years.

[LostDoggy]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

When you get a good Test series between 2 competent teams, the joy is watching one team get the upper hand and then the other team fight to get back in the match. The varying fortunes over the 5 days make the game.

The most disturbing feature of this series has been that, once a team gets on top early, the other one folds with about as much resistance as the 2015 Bombers.

As a Test lover, I have found this series depressing.

[FrediKanoute]

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Has there ever been a worse batsman to open every innings in a victorious Ashes series than Adam Lyth? Dead set turnip.

None of the English top 6 bats bar Root, a little of Cook and Stokes in the first couple of tests have been any good. Cannot believe we have lost this series.

[GVGjr]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

None of the English top 6 bats bar Root, a little of Cook and Stokes in the first couple of tests have been any good. Cannot believe we have lost this series.

I don't want to take much away from England who have made the most of their opportunities but it really comes down to bad shot selection by a number of our batsman and an almost zero ability to tighten up after a wicket or close to the end of a session which really is just the fundamentals of test cricket. Had we done the basic's well I think the result would have been different but England have bowled well and exposed out batsman.
Clarke has had a shocking tour as well which certainly didn't help us.

[1eyedog]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

Agreed, my take is that bad batting habits haven't been discouraged because we are too quick to accept that getting out by playing rash shots is part of their natural game. They have been coached that way and it isn't working.

Maybe. There seems to be natural tendency to score quicker in today's cricketing climate. Most players play T20 now. Once every batsman put a premium on their wicket and now it seems that only Rogers does / did.

[Remi Moses]

Re: England v Australia, Fifth Ashes Test, The Oval

The horse has bolted. Great to see Peter Siddle getting a few.
We have to work at being patient and learning to play in foreign conditions .
Otherwise these ashes series will be just won by the home teams only.
Could get ugly for England playing South Africa in the summer.