2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

This is an insane spell from Starc, had two catches dropped, touched 160kph and has the ball zipping

I think he's deserving the Akram tag now. Amazing spell, would be memorable in years to come if his team mates didn't drop catches.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

Incredible bowling from Starc as others have pointed out.

[lemmon]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

New Zealand should be throwing the bat, declare behind and put us in tonight if theyre serious about winning the series. They're only 80 behind, I'd be seeing how quickly they could close it to 40 and give the Aussie openers a sticky 10 overs

[Greystache]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

It's extraordinary how often the modern cricket can miss the stumps with a direct hit. It doesn't seem to matter how close they are, how much time they have, or how many previous shots they've had, they simply cannot execute such a basic skill.

Twice in the past hour players have had shots no more than 15m away with the batsmen stranded and neither could hit the stumps. David Warner must have had 200 attempts in his career and has never hit, even from point blank range.

It's as if the run out is no longer a form of dismissal in modern cricket. Just disgusting.

[Twodogs]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

It's extraordinary how often the modern cricket can miss the stumps with a direct hit. It doesn't seem to matter how close they are, how much time they have, or how many previous shots they've had, they simply cannot execute such a basic skill.

Twice in the past hour players have had shots no more than 15m away with the batsmen stranded and neither could hit the stumps. David Warner must have had 200 attempts in his career and has never hit, even from point blank range.

It's as if the run out is no longer a form of dismissal in modern cricket. Just disgusting.

And modern day players all run to back up the stumps instead of over the stumps to take the throw. So instead of having a fieldsman standing over the stumps there are invariably two or three standing together 20 or 30 metres past the wicket.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

1,100 runs in three days. May as well play on Astro turf with a hockey ball.

[Greystache]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

And modern day players all run to back up the stumps instead of over the stumps to take the throw. So instead of having a fieldsman standing over the stumps there are invariably two or three standing together 20 or 30 metres past the wicket.

Much like bowlers almost never get back to the stumps. You were always taught to get back to the stumps as soon as there's a chance for a run, yet the modern bowler is standing in the middle of the pitch while the batsmen is stranded and the stumps are unattended.

Much like many sports, the basics which can have a substantial impact are totally lost in the relentless pursuit of one percenters.

I put it down to the number of coaches and the constant strive to justify their positions over others. You don't make a name for yourself coaching players to be relentlessly effective in the core parts of the game, you make a name by introducing some new idea that might have a slight benefit a couple of times a year. It's why batsmen can switch hit these days but can't survive 10 overs when the ball is moving around.

[Remi Moses]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

Cricket Australia want a 5 day test. Nothing is more certain .
Great knocks from Taylor and Williamson ( probably up there with Devilliers as the worlds best)
Thought Starc was impressive considering

[Twodogs]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

Much like bowlers almost never get back to the stumps. You were always taught to get back to the stumps as soon as there's a chance for a run, yet the modern bowler is standing in the middle of the pitch while the batsmen is stranded and the stumps are unattended.

Much like many sports, the basics which can have a substantial impact are totally lost in the relentless pursuit of one percenters.

I put it down to the number of coaches and the constant strive to justify their positions over others. You don't make a name for yourself coaching players to be relentlessly effective in the core parts of the game, you make a name by introducing some new idea that might have a slight benefit a couple of times a year. It's why batsmen can switch hit these days but can't survive 10 overs when the ball is moving around.

Ah yes the bloody bowler standing five metres from the stumps looking at the guy throwing the ball is the last bit I left off my litany of what's wrong with one particular aspect of cricket these days. The standard modern day international cricketer obviously wasn't terrified of his underage coach. Doddy wouldn't have put up with that.

[lemmon]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

Marsh always seems to come back without the need for form that everyone needs to have. So surely he's the replacement.

Scores from this Shield round for the potential replacements:
Bancroft- Out for 4, Pattinson had him early. Yet to bat in the second innings
S. Marsh- Compiled a fighting 64 in a good partnership with Klinger. Interestingly he batted 3 (was batting 5 last year) and captained WA. I think Langer is making a statement there.
Klinger- Made a good 70 in a partnership with S.Marsh that kept WA's head above water.
Handscomb- Caught behind for 12, batting number 4 in a big total. Fresh off 137 in his only other Shield innings this year
Maxwell- Bowled for 98 batting at number 6 after a good partnership with Finch. Probably not in the frame but nice to see him hit form. Interestingly he hasn't bowled in the second innings despite Fawad picking up 3
Maddinson- Always talked about so thought I'd include him, dismissed for 6 while batting number 4. This is his third Shield game but only second innings and hasn't significantly troubled the scorers after his Matador form
Ferguson- Batted at 3 and made 13 before edging the immensely talented Billy Stanlake behind. If you want to talk about young fast bowlers, Stanlake will be the next big thing.
Head- I'm including him because he's one of my favourites, dismissed for just 4 batting at number 4. He really needs to find some consistency, his Shield numbers this year are 37, 0, 13, 114, 4. Ticked off that first hundred but needs to go on with it.

These are the last Shield fixtures before Adelaide. May all come down to who gets second innings runs and how the Perth test pans out. If we get up I'm hoping the selectors will be more inclined to experiment

[westdog54]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

It's extraordinary how often the modern cricket can miss the stumps with a direct hit. It doesn't seem to matter how close they are, how much time they have, or how many previous shots they've had, they simply cannot execute such a basic skill.

Twice in the past hour players have had shots no more than 15m away with the batsmen stranded and neither could hit the stumps. David Warner must have had 200 attempts in his career and has never hit, even from point blank range.

It's as if the run out is no longer a form of dismissal in modern cricket. Just disgusting.

And yet it was a hallmark of the previous generation. Ponting, Clarke, Symonds et al never missed the stumps. Never. Clarke could hit the stumps at the non strikers end from backward point. Symonds hit the stumps sitting on his backside once.

And don't even get me started on not standing over the stumps.

[LostDoggy]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

I can see a few changes for the next Test. Khawaja obviously. Bowling attack looks tired, Hazlewood a near certain omission and maybe Johnson as well. His comments about thinking about retirement pre-match make me wonder if he has much in the tank - freshen up looks a good idea

M.Marsh also fails to really nail his opportunities, with slow(er) pitches coming up, maybe (for the next few Tests at least) Maxwell provides more balance at 6?

I'd like to see:

OUT: Khawaja, Hazlewood, Johnson, M.Marsh
IN: Bancroft (at 3), Siddle, Sayers, Maxwell

[Twodogs]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

If the speed gun was right Starc was bowling as fast as anyone has in cricket history. I think Thomson was 'officially' timed as 99.7 mph and Starc's speed yesterday was 99.5. He was bowling so quickly that his balls were uncatchable.

[LostDoggy]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

I think Thommo was only timed after his shoulder injury. Apparently he was appreciably quicker beforehand - would've been scary. I've seen footage of him bowling in Perth in the mid 70s, with Marsh standing closer to the fence than the wicket as keeper with raw steak in his glove for extra padding. I remember hearing of him bowling bouncers in Perth that went for 6 byes.

Old timers reckon the 2 fastest ever were Thommo and Frank Tyson.

[Sedat]

Re: 2nd Test Australia v NZ - WACA start November 13th 2015

I think Shoaib hit the high 150's but he always got over-excited when he came to Australia and invariably bowled too short.

When it comes to quality fast bowling at the WACA, nothing will ever surpass Curtly Ambrose getting 7/1 in 28 balls there in 1993.