Chris Rogers

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Chris Rogers

McDonald is clearly on of the top 4 bats in the state and deserves to get selected as a batsman regardless of his bowling.

Until Finch, Quiney, Blizzard or someone else decides to show up and make runs reliably McDonald will keep on batting at 6.

[GVGjr]

Re: Chris Rogers

McDonald is clearly on of the top 4 bats in the state and deserves to get selected as a batsman regardless of his bowling.

Until Finch, Quiney, Blizzard or someone else decides to show up and make runs reliably McDonald will keep on batting at 6.

He is averaging 37 with the bat and that is with 20% of his innings being not out. OK for an all rounder but no so as a batsman. He needs to get that well over 42.

Rogers will add a lot to the top order so I hope McDonald can press ahead a bit better with the bat at number 6.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Chris Rogers

He is averaging 37 with the bat and that is with 20% of his innings being not out. OK for an all rounder but no so as a batsman. He needs to get that well over 42.

Rogers will add a lot to the top order so I hope McDonald can press ahead a bit better with the bat at number 6.

I can't find his year by year stats but his first couple of years were terrible - probably averaged <20. He averaged 57 in 2006-07 and while I doubt he was that good in 2007-08 he probably would have been mid-40's (I'm guessing).

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Chris Rogers

Rogers has confirmed he's coming to Victoria.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/baggygreen/content/story/345797.html

Rogers
Jewell
Hodge
Hussey
White
McDonald
Wade or Crossthwaite
Siddle
Nannes
McGain
One more quick out of:

Hawood and Denton are getting on a bit and seem to be breaking down all the time. Wise isn't much good (but does have a pretty good record). McKay took important wickets when they were needed, Patterson did a reasonable job when he got the chance.

I feel like I've missed someone?

Looks a good enough side to go one step better than last year.

[GVGjr]

Re: Chris Rogers

I can't find his year by year stats but his first couple of years were terrible - probably averaged <20. He averaged 57 in 2006-07 and while I doubt he was that good in 2007-08 he probably would have been mid-40's (I'm guessing).

High 40's actually. 545 runs at a bit under 50. 139 top score and 5 no's out of 16 innings.

Far better than I thought.

[hujsh]

Re: Chris Rogers

Rogers has confirmed he's coming to Victoria.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/baggygreen/content/story/345797.html

Rogers
Jewell
Hodge
Hussey
White
McDonald
Wade or Crossthwaite
Siddle
Nannes
McGain
One more quick out of:

Hawood and Denton are getting on a bit and seem to be breaking down all the time. Wise isn't much good (but does have a pretty good record). McKay took important wickets when they were needed, Patterson did a reasonable job when he got the chance.

I feel like I've missed someone?

Looks a good enough side to go one step better than last year.

Maybe you're thinking of Lewis (i know he's retired but still)

I would go McKay of that lot.

Is Patterson English? I would rather not play him if he is.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Chris Rogers

I'd argue that he does little bowling because he is throwing the ball to McDonald first. White essentially becomes the 6th bowler. Good spinners still add value in from day one. On day one and two White's job is to tie up and end before the new ball or late in a session and bowl a few tidy overs.
On days three and four it's to get the occasional wicket and support McGain.
McDonald gets a lot of over because the pace bowlers can't bowl as much as their counterparts from other states.

White doesn't bowl much because he prefers to throw the ball to anybody but himself. Leggies, unless they are Warne do little during the first two days towards taking wickets simply because they get very little turn.

A good example was the use of Casson in the Final when, for memory he didn't bowl at all in the first innings but proved his worth in the second innings - in fact got, himself a trip to the Windies out of it.

The likes of Mc Donald can be useful bowlers on the first day because they can wobble it about a bit. He is a fair player.

[GVGjr]

Re: Chris Rogers

The likes of Mc Donald can be useful bowlers on the first day because they can wobble it about a bit. He is a fair player.

He is a fair cricketer but I think he was bowling more than he should just because our pace bowling stocks were always underdone. I have never been a big fan of the medium pacers like Harvey or McDonald unless they are holding their spot on their batting skills. I'm happy to concede that McDonald bit enough with the bat last season though.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Chris Rogers

He is a fair cricketer but I think he was bowling more than he should just because our pace bowling stocks were always underdone. I have never been a big fan of the medium pacers like Harvey or McDonald unless they are holding their spot on their batting skills. I'm happy to concede that McDonald bit enough with the bat last season though.

I guess it depends on your definition of medium pacers. If you include in that category the likes of Alec Bedser, Max Walker, Terry Alderman and Bill Johnstone at Test level and John Grant, Ian Brayshaw and Ben Hilfenhaus at state level, they went alright.

With respect to Mc Donald, who may be short of the achievements of those above, his batting average of 40+ over two seasons is outstanding.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Chris Rogers

At District Cricket level, Footscray's Barry Watson won a Ryder Medal bowling gentle wobblies. He was better than useful.

[GVGjr]

Re: Chris Rogers

At District Cricket level, Footscray's Barry Watson won a Ryder Medal bowling gentle wobblies. He was better than useful.

He was a number 3 batsman wasn't he?

Brayshaw had a terrific record for WA and Graeme Beard did for NSW bowling their tight medium pacers.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Chris Rogers

He was a number 3 batsman wasn't he?

Brayshaw had a terrific record for WA and Graeme Beard did for NSW bowling their tight medium pacers.

Barry Watson batted down the order. He was a bowling all-rounder.

Yes, Beard could move the ball off the seam and was pretty good in One-day Internationals especially using the heavier atmosphere at night

Brayshaw got all 10 wickets in a Shield match. James was a better batsman though.

[GVGjr]

Re: Chris Rogers

Barry Watson batted down the order. He was a bowling all-rounder.

Yes, Beard could move the ball off the seam and was pretty good in One-day Internationals especially using the heavier atmosphere at night

Brayshaw got all 10 wickets in a Shield match. James was a better batsman though.

Beard was often a tight medium pacer in the first two days and an off spinner in the next two.
In the days of 8 ball overs, they couldn't score more than 2 or so off him. Brayshaw had a similar reputation didn't he?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Chris Rogers

Beard was often a tight medium pacer in the first two days and an off spinner in the next two.
In the days of 8 ball overs, they couldn't score more than 2 or so off him. Brayshaw had a similar reputation didn't he?

Beard was after 8 ball overs but you're right about his meaness. Both Beard and Brayshaw would have been brilliant in English conditions. I reckon Brayshaw was one of the unluckiest players not to play for Australia

They were similar to the typical pommy medium pacer, bowling at a nagging length, doing a bit and relentlessly accurate. The sort of bowler who, once you take a chance and play across the line against, you're going to be in big trouble.

[hujsh]

Re: Chris Rogers

I guess it depends on your definition of medium pacers. If you include in that category the likes of Alec Bedser, Max Walker, Terry Alderman and Bill Johnstone at Test level and John Grant, Ian Brayshaw and Ben Hilfenhaus at state level, they went alright.

With respect to Mc Donald, who may be short of the achievements of those above, his batting average of 40+ over two seasons is outstanding.

Your not calling Hilfy a medium pacer are you?