2017 ODI Squad

[GVGjr]

Three new faces just announced for the Australian ODI squad

Australia ODI squad Steve Smith (c), David Warner (vc), Pat Cummins, James Faulkner, Travis Head, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Chris Lynn, Mitchell Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Billy Stanlake, Mitchell Starc, Matthew Wade, Adam Zampa

Finch, Bailey and Cartwright miss out.

Maxwell still in the squad and has a great chance to impress. Stanlake bowls at 140km+ and adds to the Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins combination and of course Marsh and Faulkner are quality all rounders.

[bulldogtragic]

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A little surprised that Finch & Bailey have missed out.

5 bats (Smith, Warner & Head can bowl too)
3 all rounders
1 keeper
1 spinner
4 quicks

Three all rounders seems overkill for the squad with Head, Smith & Warner capable of overs. Starc & Cummins are great lower order hitters too. We should make the call on who the best two all rounders are and select in the squad six bats (Finch can bowl too if he was in the squad).

[GVGjr]

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BT, Out of the 3 all rounders who would you drop? I originally had a similar thought but I think they all deserve the chance

[bulldogtragic]

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BT, Out of the 3 all rounders who would you drop? I originally had a similar thought but I think they all deserve the chance

Depends on how we want to structure up. I think our quick stocks are excellent and get better if Pattinson ever gets back.

(No specialist spinner option) Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins & Pattinson/Stanlake (Wade) Maxwell, Head, Lynn/Bailey/Finch, Smith, Khawaja, Warner

(Specialist spinner option) Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Zampa (Wade) Marsh/Faulkner, Head, Lynn/Bailey/Finch, Smith, Khawaja, Warner

I like option one with 4 elite quicks, ala The Windies. Maxwell, Head, (Finch), Smith & Warner bowl 10 overs of spin - I think we bat down to 9 with Cummins. So Maxwell is one to stay.

I'm not as sold on option two, 3 elite quicks for 30 overs, 20 overs from a young spinner and Faulkner/Marsh with part time spin as a back up plan - Again we bat down to 9. But if the pitch warranted it, then it probably will add to Faulkners changes of pace, and variety. Faulkner is more a bowling all rounder than Marsh.

So, all that said probably Marsh who is a good power hitter but his bowling isn't adding more variety.

For me:

Warner & Finch
Khawaja
Smith
Bailey/Head
Lynn
Maxwell
Wade
Starc
Cummins
Pattinson/Stanlake
Hazlewood

Bench: Bailey, Stanlake, Zampa, Faulkner

Emergency: Mitch Marsh, Handscomb, Swepson (Paine WK)

[lemmon]

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Calling it early but Stanlake will take a few hundred test wickets. I think he's a better prospect than Cummins

[Twodogs]

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BT, Out of the 3 all rounders who would you drop? I originally had a similar thought but I think they all deserve the chance

I understand your point about earning a spot but team balance has to come into it. We simply can't afford to take a team with 3 players that bat OK and bowl OK. If the best 4 cricketers in Australia were wicketkeepers then we wouldn't pick 4 keepers.

And who would I drop? Mitch Marsh. He has to earn his spot back in the national team, not just have it handed back.

[GVGjr]

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I understand your point about earning a spot but team balance has to come into it. We simply can't afford to take a team with 3 players that bat OK and bowl OK. If the best 4 cricketers in Australia were wicketkeepers then we wouldn't pick 4 keepers.

And who would I drop? Mitch Marsh. He has to earn his spot back in the national team, not just have it handed back.

I disagree because that's more of Test consideration. With ODI cricket there is a need for players to be able to mix and match to the conditions or requirements of the game.
Mitch Marsh is a beast with the bat capable of clearing the fence and a very good 4th or 5th bowler.
James Faulkner is a very difficult bowler to get away plus he also offers some very quick runs with his hitting power
Glenn Maxwell is also a dominate batsman, great fielder and hand bowler offering a bit of spin and quick overs if needed.

In ODI or T20 cricket I seem them as being in our best 15. Only two of them would likely play in any game but thats OK.

[Bornadog]

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The Australian XI:

David Warner
Travis Head
Steve Smith (captain)
Chris Lynn
Mitchell Marsh
Glenn Maxwell
Matthew Wade
James Faulkner
Pat Cummins
Mitchell Starc
Billy Stanlake

Play gets underway on Friday at 2:20 PM Melbourne time.

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It looks a good enough side, but I still think it's a genuine batsman light. I'm not sure if Lynn can bowl a bit, but the other 10 can. It's a good tail with some heavy hitters, but it's still a long tail to me.

[GVGjr]

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It looks a good enough side, but I still think it's a genuine batsman light. I'm not sure if Lynn can bowl a bit, but the other 10 can. It's a good tail with some heavy hitters, but it's still a long tail to me.

I think the mix is close to being right but we do look a fraction light with the batting. I would have looked a more genuine batsman than Maxwell and have Mitch Marsh at 6.

Based on the squad I would have opened with Khawaja moved Head to 5 and had Marsh at 6.

If Wades batting at 7 and Faulkner at 8 I'm not sure I agree that it's a long tail. You could even run the argument to open with Wade given he tends to go well in this form of the game.

There is potentially some serious firepower with the batting but losing quick wickets early in the game might test us.

Chris Lynn has been a brute in T20 cricket but how has he gone in the 50 over game? I believe he is carrying a shoulder injury and might eventually walk away from shield cricket

[Twodogs]

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I think the mix is close to being right but we do look a fraction light with the batting. I would have looked a more genuine batsman than Maxwell and have Mitch Marsh at 6.

Based on the squad I would have opened with Khawaja moved Head to 5 and had Marsh at 6.

If Wades batting at 7 and Faulkner at 8 I'm not sure I agree that it's a long tail. You could even run the argument to open with Wade given he tends to go well in this form of the game.

There is potentially some serious firepower with the batting but losing quick wickets early in the game might test us.

Chris Lynn has been a brute in T20 cricket but how has he gone in the 50 over game? I believe he is carrying a shoulder injury and might eventually walk away from shield cricket

Lynn is remarkably good at T-20. If I were him I would concentrate on the shorter forms of the game.

The Australian team looks short by a batsman to me too. We are inviting trouble if we lose early wickets. Maybe not short a batsman but there is no obvious sheet anchor batsman among the stroke players. Nobody to turn the strike over and bat properly against the good bowling.

[GVGjr]

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Lynn is remarkably good at T-20. If I were him I would concentrate on the shorter forms of the game.

The Australian team looks short by a batsman to me too. We are inviting trouble if we lose early wickets. Maybe not short a batsman but there is no obvious sheet anchor batsman among the stroke players. Nobody to turn the strike over and bat properly against the good bowling.

Bailey was a good player for us who could change his tempo depending on the game. If there was early wickets he could calm things down and accelerate later on. If we were only a few down late in the game he could jump all over the bowling from the moment he arrived at the crease. Could Lynn, Marsh or Maxwell do that type of role? I'm not so sure because they seem more comfortable in a purely attacking role.

I'm still of the belief that if you have Faulkner at 8 then the tail isn't too long but I'd look to replace Maxwell with a more flexible batsman.

[Twodogs]

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Bailey was a good player for us who could change his tempo depending on the game. If there was early wickets he could calm things down and accelerate later on. If we were only a few down late in the game he could jump all over the bowling from the moment he arrived at the crease. Could Lynn, Marsh or Maxwell do that type of role? I'm not so sure because they seem more comfortable in a purely attacking role.

I'm still of the belief that if you have Faulkner at 8 then the tail isn't too long but I'd look to replace Maxwell with a more flexible batsman.

Bailey is the ideal candidate. I wonder what his plans are?

Seriously I know he's been lacking a bit in form but Bailey must have really annoyed someone to find his way out of an Austraian team. New selectors are going to make changes though.

[Axe Man]

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Not sure if it's already been mentioned anywhere on WOOF already but just read that Billy Stanlake's dad Warren played for Footscray. Just the 1 game in 1981 but I think we can safely claim Billy as one of our own!

[jeemak]

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Pretty ordinary dismissal from Lynn after a solid start, both Smith and Warner got good deliveries.