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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 45505

    #1

    2017 ODI Squad

    Three new faces just announced for the Australian ODI squad

    Australia ODI squad Steve Smith (c), David Warner (vc), Pat Cummins, James Faulkner, Travis Head, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Chris Lynn, Mitchell Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Billy Stanlake, Mitchell Starc, Matthew Wade, Adam Zampa

    Finch, Bailey and Cartwright miss out.

    Maxwell still in the squad and has a great chance to impress. Stanlake bowls at 140km+ and adds to the Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins combination and of course Marsh and Faulkner are quality all rounders.
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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #2
    Re: 2017 ODI Squad

    A little surprised that Finch & Bailey have missed out.

    5 bats (Smith, Warner & Head can bowl too)
    3 all rounders
    1 keeper
    1 spinner
    4 quicks

    Three all rounders seems overkill for the squad with Head, Smith & Warner capable of overs. Starc & Cummins are great lower order hitters too. We should make the call on who the best two all rounders are and select in the squad six bats (Finch can bowl too if he was in the squad).
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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 45505

      #3
      Re: 2017 ODI Squad

      BT, Out of the 3 all rounders who would you drop? I originally had a similar thought but I think they all deserve the chance
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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34289

        #4
        Re: 2017 ODI Squad

        Originally posted by GVGjr
        BT, Out of the 3 all rounders who would you drop? I originally had a similar thought but I think they all deserve the chance
        Depends on how we want to structure up. I think our quick stocks are excellent and get better if Pattinson ever gets back.

        (No specialist spinner option) Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins & Pattinson/Stanlake (Wade) Maxwell, Head, Lynn/Bailey/Finch, Smith, Khawaja, Warner

        (Specialist spinner option) Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Zampa (Wade) Marsh/Faulkner, Head, Lynn/Bailey/Finch, Smith, Khawaja, Warner

        I like option one with 4 elite quicks, ala The Windies. Maxwell, Head, (Finch), Smith & Warner bowl 10 overs of spin - I think we bat down to 9 with Cummins. So Maxwell is one to stay.

        I'm not as sold on option two, 3 elite quicks for 30 overs, 20 overs from a young spinner and Faulkner/Marsh with part time spin as a back up plan - Again we bat down to 9. But if the pitch warranted it, then it probably will add to Faulkners changes of pace, and variety. Faulkner is more a bowling all rounder than Marsh.

        So, all that said probably Marsh who is a good power hitter but his bowling isn't adding more variety.

        For me:

        Warner & Finch
        Khawaja
        Smith
        Bailey/Head
        Lynn
        Maxwell
        Wade
        Starc
        Cummins
        Pattinson/Stanlake
        Hazlewood

        Bench: Bailey, Stanlake, Zampa, Faulkner

        Emergency: Mitch Marsh, Handscomb, Swepson (Paine WK)
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        • lemmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Nov 2008
          • 6593

          #5
          Re: 2017 ODI Squad

          Calling it early but Stanlake will take a few hundred test wickets. I think he's a better prospect than Cummins

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          • Twodogs
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 27681

            #6
            Re: 2017 ODI Squad

            Originally posted by GVGjr
            BT, Out of the 3 all rounders who would you drop? I originally had a similar thought but I think they all deserve the chance
            I understand your point about earning a spot but team balance has to come into it. We simply can't afford to take a team with 3 players that bat OK and bowl OK. If the best 4 cricketers in Australia were wicketkeepers then we wouldn't pick 4 keepers.

            And who would I drop? Mitch Marsh. He has to earn his spot back in the national team, not just have it handed back.
            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 45505

              #7
              Re: 2017 ODI Squad

              Originally posted by Twodogs
              I understand your point about earning a spot but team balance has to come into it. We simply can't afford to take a team with 3 players that bat OK and bowl OK. If the best 4 cricketers in Australia were wicketkeepers then we wouldn't pick 4 keepers.

              And who would I drop? Mitch Marsh. He has to earn his spot back in the national team, not just have it handed back.
              I disagree because that's more of Test consideration. With ODI cricket there is a need for players to be able to mix and match to the conditions or requirements of the game.
              Mitch Marsh is a beast with the bat capable of clearing the fence and a very good 4th or 5th bowler.
              James Faulkner is a very difficult bowler to get away plus he also offers some very quick runs with his hitting power
              Glenn Maxwell is also a dominate batsman, great fielder and hand bowler offering a bit of spin and quick overs if needed.

              In ODI or T20 cricket I seem them as being in our best 15. Only two of them would likely play in any game but thats OK.
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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 67678

                #8
                Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                The Australian XI:

                David Warner
                Travis Head
                Steve Smith (captain)
                Chris Lynn
                Mitchell Marsh
                Glenn Maxwell
                Matthew Wade
                James Faulkner
                Pat Cummins
                Mitchell Starc
                Billy Stanlake

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34289

                  #9
                  Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                  It looks a good enough side, but I still think it's a genuine batsman light. I'm not sure if Lynn can bowl a bit, but the other 10 can. It's a good tail with some heavy hitters, but it's still a long tail to me.
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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 45505

                    #10
                    Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                    It looks a good enough side, but I still think it's a genuine batsman light. I'm not sure if Lynn can bowl a bit, but the other 10 can. It's a good tail with some heavy hitters, but it's still a long tail to me.
                    I think the mix is close to being right but we do look a fraction light with the batting. I would have looked a more genuine batsman than Maxwell and have Mitch Marsh at 6.

                    Based on the squad I would have opened with Khawaja moved Head to 5 and had Marsh at 6.

                    If Wades batting at 7 and Faulkner at 8 I'm not sure I agree that it's a long tail. You could even run the argument to open with Wade given he tends to go well in this form of the game.

                    There is potentially some serious firepower with the batting but losing quick wickets early in the game might test us.

                    Chris Lynn has been a brute in T20 cricket but how has he gone in the 50 over game? I believe he is carrying a shoulder injury and might eventually walk away from shield cricket
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                    • Twodogs
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 27681

                      #11
                      Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      I think the mix is close to being right but we do look a fraction light with the batting. I would have looked a more genuine batsman than Maxwell and have Mitch Marsh at 6.

                      Based on the squad I would have opened with Khawaja moved Head to 5 and had Marsh at 6.

                      If Wades batting at 7 and Faulkner at 8 I'm not sure I agree that it's a long tail. You could even run the argument to open with Wade given he tends to go well in this form of the game.

                      There is potentially some serious firepower with the batting but losing quick wickets early in the game might test us.

                      Chris Lynn has been a brute in T20 cricket but how has he gone in the 50 over game? I believe he is carrying a shoulder injury and might eventually walk away from shield cricket
                      Lynn is remarkably good at T-20. If I were him I would concentrate on the shorter forms of the game.

                      The Australian team looks short by a batsman to me too. We are inviting trouble if we lose early wickets. Maybe not short a batsman but there is no obvious sheet anchor batsman among the stroke players. Nobody to turn the strike over and bat properly against the good bowling.
                      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 45505

                        #12
                        Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                        Originally posted by Twodogs
                        Lynn is remarkably good at T-20. If I were him I would concentrate on the shorter forms of the game.

                        The Australian team looks short by a batsman to me too. We are inviting trouble if we lose early wickets. Maybe not short a batsman but there is no obvious sheet anchor batsman among the stroke players. Nobody to turn the strike over and bat properly against the good bowling.
                        Bailey was a good player for us who could change his tempo depending on the game. If there was early wickets he could calm things down and accelerate later on. If we were only a few down late in the game he could jump all over the bowling from the moment he arrived at the crease. Could Lynn, Marsh or Maxwell do that type of role? I'm not so sure because they seem more comfortable in a purely attacking role.

                        I'm still of the belief that if you have Faulkner at 8 then the tail isn't too long but I'd look to replace Maxwell with a more flexible batsman.
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                        • Twodogs
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 27681

                          #13
                          Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                          Originally posted by GVGjr
                          Bailey was a good player for us who could change his tempo depending on the game. If there was early wickets he could calm things down and accelerate later on. If we were only a few down late in the game he could jump all over the bowling from the moment he arrived at the crease. Could Lynn, Marsh or Maxwell do that type of role? I'm not so sure because they seem more comfortable in a purely attacking role.

                          I'm still of the belief that if you have Faulkner at 8 then the tail isn't too long but I'd look to replace Maxwell with a more flexible batsman.
                          Bailey is the ideal candidate. I wonder what his plans are?

                          Seriously I know he's been lacking a bit in form but Bailey must have really annoyed someone to find his way out of an Austraian team. New selectors are going to make changes though.
                          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                          • Axe Man
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 11486

                            #14
                            Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                            Not sure if it's already been mentioned anywhere on WOOF already but just read that Billy Stanlake's dad Warren played for Footscray. Just the 1 game in 1981 but I think we can safely claim Billy as one of our own!

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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 22142

                              #15
                              Re: 2017 ODI Squad

                              Pretty ordinary dismissal from Lynn after a solid start, both Smith and Warner got good deliveries.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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