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  • Sockeye Salmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6365

    #16
    Re: Mankads

    Originally posted by ledge
    I wonder where the word Mankad came from, its a strange one for sure.
    Vinoo Mankad was an Indian in the 50's who was the first to run someone out this way (Australia's Bill Brown).

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    • Sockeye Salmon
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6365

      #17
      Re: Mankads

      I hope this works
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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 43897

        #18
        Re: Mankads

        Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
        Vinoo Mankad was an Indian in the 50's who was the first to run someone out this way (Australia's Bill Brown).
        Got him twice in the same manner didn't he?
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        • Twodogs
          Administrator
          • Nov 2006
          • 27646

          #19
          Re: Mankads

          IIRC the whole "Andrew Hilditch ball handling"* episode back in the '70s was justified by the Pakastanis because one of their batsmen was Mankaded by Rodney Hogg(?-I think) in the first innings.





          Current Australian selector Andrew Hilditch was a dismal opening batsmen for Australia during WSC. Australia were one wicket down needing not many more in the last innings. Sarfraz Nawaz waited for Hilditch to pick the ball up at the non strikers end and then appealed to the umpire who had to give Hilditch out. Sarfraz ended up with 9/87 (I think he took 8/1 in his next spell) and Australia lost.
          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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          • westdog54
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 6683

            #20
            Re: Mankads

            Originally posted by Twodogs
            IIRC the whole "Andrew Hilditch ball handling"* episode back in the '70s was justified by the Pakastanis because one of their batsmen was Mankaded by Rodney Hogg(?-I think) in the first innings.





            Current Australian selector Andrew Hilditch was a dismal opening batsmen for Australia during WSC. Australia were one wicket down needing not many more in the last innings. Sarfraz Nawaz waited for Hilditch to pick the ball up at the non strikers end and then appealed to the umpire who had to give Hilditch out. Sarfraz ended up with 9/87 (I think he took 8/1 in his next spell) and Australia lost.
            It was Alan Hurst who ran out the number 11 Sikhander, according to Allan Border's autobiography.

            The Rodney Hogg bit was from Australia's first innings. He'd played a defensive shot and stepped forward to do 'a spot of gardening' on the pitch, clearly not attempting a run. Javed Miandad ran in, whipped off the bails and ran him out. The Pakis called an impromptu team meeting and decided to invite Hogg back to the crease, but the umpires decided, no, he was out, he had to go.

            Hurst was initally under instruction to stop and warn Sikhander first over after a drinks break, but he ended up so far down the pitch, he decided 'bugger him'.

            And you must be thinking of a different match, because Border recalls that only 3 wickets fell in that innings, two run outs and the handled the ball, so no Pakistani took a wicket. The Aussies won comfortably.

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            • The Coon Dog
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 7575

              #21
              Re: Mankads

              Ten controversial dismissals

              The Hilditch dismissal features in Cricinfo's 10 controversial dismissals:

              1 - Sunil Gavaskar, 1981, Australia v India, 3rd Test, Melbourne

              The series had been dogged by some inconsistent umpiring which the Indians felt had largely gone against them. Dennis Lillee jagged one back at Sunil Gavaskar and appealed for leg-before - the ball undoubtedly was going on to hit the stumps, but Gavaskar was adamant he had edged it. "We were sure," Lillee recalled. "The only one who had a problem with it was Sunny who, until that day, had never scored runs against me." An incensed Gavaskar then tried to persuade his partner to walk off, and only the intervention of the Indian manager prevented them from forfeiting a Test they went on to win.

              2 - Dean Jones, 1990-91, West Indies v Australia, 2nd Test, Guyana

              The "run out" of Dean Jones was a cruel blow to Australia who faced a deficit of 221 runs. Jones was bowled by Courtney Walsh off a no-ball and, with the batsman unaware of the umpire's call, trudged back to the pavilion. Carl Hooper bounded in from slip, picked up the ball and threw down the middle stump and was promptly joined by all his team-mates who appealed for the run out. Despite his batting partner, Allan Border, trying to warn him of the impending danger, Jones couldn't get his bat down quick enough - and the square-leg umpire, Cumberbatch, gave him out.

              3 - Chris Broad, 1987, England v Pakistan, 3rd Test, Headingley
              Having hit the first ball of the innings for four, Broad was given out in unusual circumstances next ball. Broad let the ball from Imran Khan go through outside his off-stump, withdrew his hand from the bat handle and the ball deflected off his glove - which by then was well clear of the bat. Nevertheless, despite it being not out according to the laws, he was given his marching orders by David Shepherd. Imran finished with 7 for 40, and Pakistan won by and innings and 18 runs.

              4 - Chris Broad, 1987-88, Pakistan v England, 1st Test, Lahore

              Broad featured again in the 1987-88 series against Pakistan. The first Test was marred by poor decisions against both sides, and England, who began their second innings 217 in arrears, felt they had had more than their fair share. Broad pushed forward to Iqbal Qasim and appeared to miss the ball by inches but was given out caught behind. An incensed Broad refused to budge, shaking his head. " I didn't hit it, I'm not going," shrugged Broad. "You can like it or lump it, I'm staying." After more than a minute was guided off by Graham Gooch, his partner. Worse was to follow soon after at Faisalabad.

              5 - Alvin Kallicharran, 1973-74, West Indies v England, 1st Test, Port of Spain

              As Bernard Julien played the last ball of the day from Derek Underwood, the players turned towards the pavilion and Alan Knott, the wicketkeeper, flicked the bails off. However, Tony Greig, who was fielding at silly point, noticed that Alvin Kallicharran, the non striker who was on 142, was heading off and threw down the stumps at the bowler's end. With no-one really sure what was happening, Greig appealed and umpire Douglas Sang Hu gave Kallicharran out. Many of the crowd had left and were unaware what had happened, but as the evening went on it became clear this was a major incident in the making. Common sense prevailed and the managers agreed that Kallicharran would be reinstated. He went on to score 158, but Greig's love-hate relationship with Caribbean crowds had been established.

              6 - Vinoo Mankad, 1947, Australia v India, 2nd Test, Sydney
              One of the more famous incidents, and spawned the phrase "Mankadded." In an early tour match at the SCG, Mankad had warned Australian opener Bill Brown not to back up too far, and when that advice was ignored, had run him out. Opinion was divided as to the fairness of his action. But a month later in the first Test on the same ground, Mankad again ran out Brown, this time with no warning. Brown was livid, but Don Bradman, Australia's captain, calmed the situation by defending the action.

              7 - Wayne Phillips, 1985, England v Australia, 1st Test, Headingley

              Phillips cut a ball from John Emburey and it ricocheted off silly point Allan Lamb's instep as he took evasive action and lobbed gently to David Gower at silly mid-off. Umpires David Shepherd and David Constant conferred and gave Phillips out, much to the batsman's disgust. While replays suggested that the decision was probably right, in those pre-third umpire days, the Australians justifiably claimed that there was too much doubt.

              8 - Sachin Tendulkar, 1998, India v Pakistan, 1st Test, Eden Gardens

              The best-attended match in history, with an official crowd of 100,000, was marred by riots following the decision of Sachin Tendulkar when he was run out after colliding with Shoaib Akhtar. Nadeem Khan threw down the stumps and Tendulkar, whose collision cost him vital inches; his bat had been grounded, but his bat had lifted at the time the bails were removed. Cue rioting crowds, which were only calmed when Tendulkar did a walk around the ground; play resumed again after an interruption of 46 minutes.

              9 - Andrew Hilditch, 1979, Australia v Pakistan, 2nd Test, Perth
              Hilditch was given out handled ball and became the only non-striker to have been given that decision. Hilditch picked up a wayward throw that had dribbled onto the pitch and handed the ball back to Sarfraz Nawaz who appealed and the umpire had to give Hilditch out. This fracas was quite possibly in retaliation for an equally unsavoury incident earlier in the day when Pakistan's No. 11 Sikander Bakht was run out by Alan Hurst at the bowler's end whilst backing up too far - the fourth such instance in Test cricket. Asif Iqbal, who played in the match, said: "I do not want to be associated with such incidents. There was no need for us to stoop so low as to appeal against Hilditch for handling the ball as a non-striker."

              10 - Len Hutton, 1951, England v South Africa, 5th Test, The Oval
              England captain Len Hutton's attempted sweep off Athol Rowan looped up in the air, and as wicketkeeper Russell Endean waited for the catch, Hutton, who later said he thought the ball was going to land on his stumps, flicked it away with his bat. Amid scenes of some confusion - even the commentators were nonplussed for a time - Hutton was eventually given out obstructed the field, the first such dismissal in a Test. Bizarrely, five years later Endean was the first person to be dismissed handled the ball in a Test, against England at Newlands.
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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #22
                Re: Mankads

                Originally posted by The Coon Dog
                Ten controversial dismissals

                The Hilditch dismissal features in Cricinfo's 10 controversial dismissals:

                1 - Sunil Gavaskar, 1981, Australia v India, 3rd Test, Melbourne

                The series had been dogged by some inconsistent umpiring which the Indians felt had largely gone against them. Dennis Lillee jagged one back at Sunil Gavaskar and appealed for leg-before - the ball undoubtedly was going on to hit the stumps, but Gavaskar was adamant he had edged it. "We were sure," Lillee recalled. "The only one who had a problem with it was Sunny who, until that day, had never scored runs against me." An incensed Gavaskar then tried to persuade his partner to walk off, and only the intervention of the Indian manager prevented them from forfeiting a Test they went on to win.
                [B]
                Quite a brilliant piece of umpiring, actually.

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                • Sockeye Salmon
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6365

                  #23
                  Re: Mankads

                  Originally posted by EJ Smith
                  Quite a brilliant piece of umpiring, actually.
                  Is Murali a chucker and did Darryl Hair do the right thing in England with Izzy?

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #24
                    Re: Mankads

                    Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                    Is Murali a chucker and did Darryl Hair do the right thing in England with Izzy?
                    1. Absolutely, Undeniably and sh.t yeah.

                    However, now that they have changed the Law to accommodate him, he is probably alright. I wouldn't know cos I'm stuffed if I can look at him live and tell whether his arm is bent 15 degrees and I doubt whether any one else can either. What a shambles


                    2. See 1. above

                    And so did Billy Doctrove whose role in the affair was dismissed as not having happened???????????????

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                    • westdog54
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6683

                      #25
                      Re: Mankads

                      Originally posted by EJ Smith
                      2. See 1. above

                      And so did Billy Doctrove whose role in the affair was dismissed as not having happened???????????????
                      He made the right decision to call ball tampering against the Pakistani's, but not to simply abandon the game without consulting the match referee. It was a bit petulant as far as I'm concerned.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #26
                        Re: Mankads

                        Originally posted by westdog54
                        He made the right decision to call ball tampering against the Pakistani's, but not to simply abandon the game without consulting the match referee. It was a bit petulant as far as I'm concerned.
                        The umpires don't make the Laws simply administer them. If the Law is wrong, change the Law but you can't leave it to umpires to decide which Laws to apply and which one's not to apply.

                        The role of the referee is not mentioned in the Laws of the game. There is no opportunity given to the umpire to delegate responsbility for application of the Laws to a referee.

                        In any event the referee had ample opportunity to intervene but chose not to.

                        The referee, Proctor, continued in that role as did Billy Doctrove in his but Hair was sent to the pine. Work that one out.

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                        • ledge
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 14029

                          #27
                          Re: Mankads

                          Because Hair has a history of thinking its about him, not cricket.
                          Bring back the biff

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                          • Sockeye Salmon
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6365

                            #28
                            Re: Mankads

                            Originally posted by EJ Smith
                            The umpires don't make the Laws simply administer them. If the Law is wrong, change the Law but you can't leave it to umpires to decide which Laws to apply and which one's not to apply.

                            The role of the referee is not mentioned in the Laws of the game. There is no opportunity given to the umpire to delegate responsbility for application of the Laws to a referee.

                            In any event the referee had ample opportunity to intervene but chose not to.

                            The referee, Proctor, continued in that role as did Billy Doctrove in his but Hair was sent to the pine. Work that one out.
                            Bloody hell, here we go again.

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                            • ledge
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 14029

                              #29
                              Re: Mankads

                              different sport and different poster isnt it though sockeye?
                              Bring back the biff

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                              • Sockeye Salmon
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 6365

                                #30
                                Re: Mankads

                                Originally posted by ledge
                                different sport and different poster isnt it though sockeye?
                                Yeah, I hope Aker doesn't like cricket *hides*

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