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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 66687

    #31
    Re: #BazBall - WTF

    What a finish, NZ win after England needed 2
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    • Happy Days
      Hall of Fame
      • May 2008
      • 10139

      #32
      Re: #BazBall - WTF

      Originally posted by bornadog
      Pathetic bowling from Wagner
      You were saying?
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      • Bornadog
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        • Jan 2007
        • 66687

        #33
        Re: #BazBall - WTF

        Originally posted by Happy Days
        You were saying?
        Yeah he bowled some shockers - lucky to get away with it.

        Having said that he got 4 wickets - so all is forgotten
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        • Bulldog Joe
          Premiership Moderator
          • Jul 2009
          • 5564

          #34
          Re: #BazBall - WTF

          Originally posted by bornadog
          Yeah he bowled some shockers - lucky to get away with it.

          Having said that he got 4 wickets - so all is forgotten
          You can't argue that his approach got wickets.
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          • Sedat
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2007
            • 11243

            #35
            Re: #BazBall - WTF

            I hope this result doesn't curtail the bazball phenomenon. England, under Stokes and McCullum, are single-handedly making test cricket infinitely more interesting. The Australian summer was diabolically awful and unwatchable by contrast.

            IMO they erred in enforcing the follow-on, which was where the match turned - their bowlers needed a rest, and batting conditions were at their easiest on day 3 and 4. Chasing 260 on the 5th day in the 4th innings is not easy - even though they've done it with aplomb a number of times in the last 12 months - history prior to that says it is very rare.
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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44620

              #36
              Re: #BazBall - WTF

              Exciting for cricket to have such a close game and well done to the Kiwi's who went into the test with just 4 bowlers.
              Wagner might be regarded as the hero getting the 4 wickets but Southee and a brilliant century from Williamson the key.

              Sedat's right that follow on hurt England
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              • Dogs 24/7
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2007
                • 1195

                #37
                Re: #BazBall - WTF

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Wagner very loose in this over - gone for 9 and England need 15 runs with 2 wickets in hand
                Originally posted by bornadog
                Pathetic bowling from Wagner
                Originally posted by bornadog
                Are fast bowlers just dumb
                aye aye captain.

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                • Sedat
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 11243

                  #38
                  Re: #BazBall - WTF

                  Originally posted by GVGjr
                  Exciting for cricket to have such a close game and well done to the Kiwi's who went into the test with just 4 bowlers.
                  Wagner might be regarded as the hero getting the 4 wickets but Southee and a brilliant century from Williamson the key.

                  Sedat's right that follow on hurt England
                  NZ have horrendously under-performed with the bat relevant to their talent levels recently. Conway, Latham, Williamson, Mitchell and Blundell are all very gifted batsmen - England gave them a sniff bringing them back in for another innings, and these 5 were good enough to make it count.
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                  • Dogs 24/7
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 1195

                    #39
                    Re: #BazBall - WTF

                    Originally posted by Sedat
                    I hope this result doesn't curtail the bazball phenomenon. England, under Stokes and McCullum, are single-handedly making test cricket infinitely more interesting. The Australian summer was diabolically awful and unwatchable by contrast.

                    IMO they erred in enforcing the follow-on, which was where the match turned - their bowlers needed a rest, and batting conditions were at their easiest on day 3 and 4. Chasing 260 on the 5th day in the 4th innings is not easy - even though they've done it with aplomb a number of times in the last 12 months - history prior to that says it is very rare.
                    Is it infinitely more interesting? Attacking test cricket is attractive but I regard a slow grind highly

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 44620

                      #40
                      Re: #BazBall - WTF

                      Originally posted by Sedat
                      NZ have horrendously under-performed with the bat relevant to their talent levels recently. Conway, Latham, Williamson, Mitchell and Blundell are all very gifted batsmen - England gave them a sniff bringing them back in for another innings, and these 5 were good enough to make it count.
                      A surprising move with the follow-on considering the age of Broad and Anderson and Stokes only bowling 2 overs and carrying an injury. NZ are a gifted team
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                      • Sedat
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 11243

                        #41
                        Re: #BazBall - WTF

                        Originally posted by Dogs 24/7
                        Is it infinitely more interesting? Attacking test cricket is attractive but I regard a slow grind highly
                        Their aggressive game style got 3 results on the deadest of dead pitches in Pakistan.

                        I also appreciate digging in when the circumstances demand it, but it is undeniable that taking the game on like they are doing is compelling test cricket. Would they have been successful in this 4th innings using the Sth African playbook of stonewalling for 130 overs? They died on their feet going for the win.
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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66687

                          #42
                          Re: #BazBall - WTF

                          Originally posted by Dogs 24/7
                          aye aye captain.
                          Problem?
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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 66687

                            #43
                            Re: #BazBall - WTF

                            FFC: Established 1883

                            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 66687

                              #44
                              Re: #BazBall - WTF

                              UNSUSTAINABLE BAZBALL BRAND ALREADY SHOWING SIGNS OF FATIGUE

                              Is England’s revolutionary style of Test cricket already beginning to show signs of wear and tear?


                              Heading into Day 4, the first Ashes Test is evenly poised with Brendon McCullum’s side 2/28 in their second innings.


                              It’s the biggest test BazBall has faced in its short existence, and its first go against Australia.


                              Veteran cricket journalist Robert Craddock explains it best.


                              “They’re really into doing the thing the opponents like least,” he told SEN’s Whateley.


                              “(They tried to) shock (Usman) Khawaja and (David) Warner by saying, ‘I know you think you won’t be batting tonight, but guess what, you are’ (when they declared in the first innings).


                              “Now it didn’t work. But we’ll see a string of all those tactics throughout the series, it’s going to be good.”


                              The Australians were earlier bowled out for 386, conceding a first innings lead of seven runs but keeping England in the field for over 116 overs.


                              For a period on Day 3, England was forced out of necessity to attempt a short ball barrage on an Edgbaston pitch that offered little.


                              It’s one of the most un-English pitches seen in recent memory, but lives up to Ben Stokes’ comments earlier this year saying his side wants flat decks prepared across the five-Test series.


                              “There will be a price (of BazBall). They have ordered these flat decks and already, (James) Anderson and (Stuart) Broad are feeling their age,” Craddock continued.


                              “They’ve been good in this game and Broad’s been terrific, but he’s still 36 and Anderson is still 40 and 41 in a couple of months.”


                              Those veterans bowled over 20 overs each in the first innings, taking four wickets between them.


                              Yet Craddock believes it’s a model that’s unsustainable. For a team that is already missing star quick Jofra Archer through injury, it’s likely England will rotate a number of fast bowlers through the six-week series.


                              “You cannot sustain this sort of heavy duty bowling on flat decks which they've ordered. Great for the batsmen… who can get the scoreboard ticking over, but I can now see why Ben Stokes – about five months ago – said to his fitness staff ‘I want eight fit fast bowlers’. He saw this coming because they will grind through them,” he added.


                              Mark Wood, Chris Woakes, Josh Tongue and Matthew Potts are the other quicks included in the England squad, though none possess the famed records of Anderson and Broad.


                              Michael Neser and Mitchell Starc are next quicks in line for Australia, which have also indicated they'll rotate through their own fast bowling stocks.
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                              • jeemak
                                Bulldog Legend
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 21814

                                #45
                                Re: #BazBall - WTF

                                I'm sick of hearing about it.
                                TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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