Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

[GVGjr]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

Whats going to happen then? wouldn't that just make the domestic comp a weaker comp? because they are playing players not ready, just for development?

Whilst i'm not as passionate about the Bushrangers as someone like Sockeye Salmon, i agree what he's saying about this, players like Hughes, need to play in a strong competition to take him to that next step, plus he and every other youngster who is ready for the domestic comp can learn from the older players, feed off their experience etc.

Players need to get to Denton & Wrights level, they need to work for those positions, to get them in the best shape when it's their time for a call up, if they are going to be good enough, and in my honest opinion, to just use the domestic comp as a development comp for the National sqaud, is just going to drag down Australian cricket, we would fall off the pace.

I have already answered that and whilst it is unfortunate, it needs to be done. Long term we won't notice it.

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showpost.php?p=69570&postcount=8

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

We would never had the sustained success we have had if we didnt blood Warne and Mcgrath in their early 20s.

Nor Ponting or Clarke who were blooded very young as well. You could blood these guys young because they were exceptional. Ponting made 97 in his first test, Clarke made a big 100. They were ready (it could even be argued that Warne was brought in too early).

We also wouldn't have been successful if we had ignored Mike Hussey or Stuart Clark or ignored Matt Hayden because he failed first time around. Simon Katich was recalled at 34 (which I didn't agree with at the time) but has been our most consistant batsman all summer.

Katich might be finished by next summer but it wouldn't matter, he's done the job while he was there.

Why would it matter if Katich played for another 2 years and was replaced by Chris Rogers for another 2 years and he was replaced by Phil Jaques for another 2 years? As lond as they all performed while they were there.

The problem with this theory is the selectors leave a player in the team until they have 17 failures in a row.

All we need is selectors with balls and then simply play your 11 best players.

[GVGjr]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

Guys like Denton and Wright test guys like Hughes and make them better. There's still room for 27-30 year olds to begin test cricket careers. Just not for the glut of them that are around now. You're probably right the standard would drop for about a season at most but it just may need to be watched is all

He is already making a lot runs against against guys of their ilk so they really haven't sufficiently tested him have they?

[hujsh]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

He is already making a lot runs against against guys of their ilk so they really haven't sufficiently tested him have they?

He's beaten them to show he's ready for the next level. The next guy to come in will have to do the same (though i guess he can't come in without some light culling)

Just moderate. Cut Harwood leave Wright for example.

[hujsh]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

Nor Ponting or Clarke who were blooded very young as well. You could blood these guys young because they were exceptional. Ponting made 97 in his first test, Clarke made a big 100. They were ready (it could even be argued that Warne was brought in too early).

We also wouldn't have been successful if we had ignored Mike Hussey or Stuart Clark or ignored Matt Hayden because he failed first time around. Simon Katich was recalled at 34 (which I didn't agree with at the time) but has been our most consistant batsman all summer.

Katich might be finished by next summer but it wouldn't matter, he's done the job while he was there.

Why would it matter if Katich played for another 2 years and was replaced by Chris Rogers for another 2 years and he was replaced by Phil Jaques for another 2 years? As lond as they all performed while they were there.

The problem with this theory is the selectors leave a player in the team until they have 17 failures in a row.

All we need is selectors with balls and then simply play your 11 best players.

The 30 year old replacements fill the gaps and top the side off. The team is built around long time test players like Warne, McGrath, Waugh, Ponting ect who provide long term success.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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The 30 year old replacements fill the gaps and top the side off. The team is built around long time test players like Warne, McGrath, Waugh, Ponting ect who provide long term success.

So the secret is playing as many superstars as you've got and rounding the side off with the best of what else you have (regardless of their age)?

What a good idea. You should be a selector.

[hujsh]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

So the secret is playing as many superstars as you've got and rounding the side off with the best of what else you have (regardless of their age)?

There won't be so many superstars if you don't give them a chance to become one. If I recall correctly Clarke was somewhat average at Shield level but rose to the occasion at test level because he was ready and talented enough to do so. I have little doubt in that situation Hodge would have made the team instead that day if you were the selector.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

There won't be so many superstars if you don't give them a chance to become one. If I recall correctly Clarke was somewhat average at Shield level but rose to the occasion at test level because he was ready and talented enough to do so. I have little doubt in that situation Hodge would have made the team instead that day if you were the selector.

No way. Hodge was needed for the Bushies.

I have no doubt, though, given the opportunity, Hodge could have had a long and successful test career. Hodge was at least as good as Damien Martyn.

[hujsh]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

No way. Hodge was needed for the Bushies

Ah yes.

I have no doubt, though, given the opportunity, Hodge could have had a long and successful test career. Hodge was at least as good as Damien Martyn.

Just wasn't as good a friend with Ponting.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

We are F****D.

[GVGjr]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

We are our own worse enemies too. I actually think the David Warner inclusion for the first game where he plundered the attach gave us a false sense of security.

Back to the drawing board and even though we aren't batting well we are still playing one batsman too many.

[hujsh]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

The amount of soft dismissals in the NZ match is amazing.

Wonder about having Hopes in the side. Not a top 4 bowler, not a top 6 batsman. He needs to be replaced with a proper bowler and probably D Hussey needs to be replaced by a all-rounder (which we don't have)

Then we'd have 5 bowlers+part timers and 7 batsmen including Haddin.

[mighty_west]

Re: Australian Cricket - Where to from here?

The amount of soft dismissals in the NZ match is amazing.

Wonder about having Hopes in the side. Not a top 4 bowler, not a top 6 batsman. He needs to be replaced with a proper bowler and probably D Hussey needs to be replaced by a all-rounder (which we don't have)

Then we'd have 5 bowlers+part timers and 7 batsmen including Haddin.

We need to get in a fit Brad Hodge ASAP.

Both Simmo & Langer have both said in the past few days that Hodge is by far the best player not in the side, and should definatly be there.