ICC World Twenty20

[GVGjr]

So far we have had

The Netherlands beating England on the last ball.
New Zealand beating Scotland comfortably
India beating Bangledesh comfortably
West Indies thrashing Australia score with 25 balls to spare

[Happy Days]

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We were lucky to even get that close to the Windies, given that their fielding probably gave us 20-25 runs extra.

[Mantis]

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Only saw the highlights, but looked like Brett Lee copped a hammering. Gayle took 27 off one over including atleast one six that went out of the ground.

[GVGjr]

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We continue to load up with batsman and in a 20 over game I can't see the sense in it. Hopes batting at #8 and Johnson and Lee following him is ludicrous. Siddle should have played at the expense of either Hopes or one of the Hussey brothers. At least then we would have 4 strike bowlers.

[The Coon Dog]

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A bit of hit & giggle isn't it. Seriously though, it's probably the one form of the game where one single person can influence the result with his own performance, more than any other.

[lemmon]

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If Lee is in the test team we can kiss the Ashes goodbye, continuous half volleys that Gayle absolutely creamed.

[mighty_west]

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If Lee is in the test team we can kiss the Ashes goodbye, continuous half volleys that Gayle absolutely creamed.

I didn't mind us bring Lee over in the Ashes squad, we have some firepower there however.....

DO NOT play brett Lee in a Twenty/20 game, his only way is as fast as he can, and in a nice spot for hitters to just wind up, it reminds me of under 12's, the kids try to bowl as fast as they can, they don't care about line & length, they want to be as fast as they can, only for a batsman to wack him over the boundary, the kid goes faster, for the same result, Brett Lee doesn't have the variation required for the short version of the game, the faster he bowls, the harder the ball hits the bat, the further it flies over the fence.

It's not the first time either for Lee, far too many times he has been brought on only to be belted in an over for the momentum to turn, whether or not Ponting is just playing Lee for practice for the Tests who knows, but Lee is a dumb bowler, he only has one weapon, and for a bowler with his experience, is very poor with the lack of control, a bowler like himself should be able to bowl yorkers yet he loses control the faster he bowls and the Aussies pay.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I didn't mind us bring Lee over in the Ashes squad, we have some firepower there however.....

DO NOT play brett Lee in a Twenty/20 game, his only way is as fast as he can, and in a nice spot for hitters to just wind up, it reminds me of under 12's, the kids try to bowl as fast as they can, they don't care about line & length, they want to be as fast as they can, only for a batsman to wack him over the boundary, the kid goes faster, for the same result, Brett Lee doesn't have the variation required for the short version of the game, the faster he bowls, the harder the ball hits the bat, the further it flies over the fence.

It's not the first time either for Lee, far too many times he has been brought on only to be belted in an over for the momentum to turn, whether or not Ponting is just playing Lee for practice for the Tests who knows, but Lee is a dumb bowler, he only has one weapon, and for a bowler with his experience, is very poor with the lack of control, a bowler like himself should be able to bowl yorkers yet he loses control the faster he bowls and the Aussies pay.

I couldn't disagree with this more.

Lee is usually a very smart T20 bowler, one of the best (especially his change of pace). The nature of the game is such that every bowler is going to get clobbered from time to time.

Lee's time as a test bowler are gone. He doesn't move it enough and if he's not bowling at 150km he struggles to get out decent batsmen. Changing your pace only works when the batsman is trying to hit you into the next postcode.

[Mantis]

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I didn't mind us bring Lee over in the Ashes squad, we have some firepower there however.....

DO NOT play brett Lee in a Twenty/20 game, his only way is as fast as he can, and in a nice spot for hitters to just wind up, it reminds me of under 12's, the kids try to bowl as fast as they can, they don't care about line & length, they want to be as fast as they can, only for a batsman to wack him over the boundary, the kid goes faster, for the same result, Brett Lee doesn't have the variation required for the short version of the game, the faster he bowls, the harder the ball hits the bat, the further it flies over the fence.

It's not the first time either for Lee, far too many times he has been brought on only to be belted in an over for the momentum to turn, whether or not Ponting is just playing Lee for practice for the Tests who knows, but Lee is a dumb bowler, he only has one weapon, and for a bowler with his experience, is very poor with the lack of control, a bowler like himself should be able to bowl yorkers yet he loses control the faster he bowls and the Aussies pay.

As with SS I could not disagree with anything you have stated in this post more if I tried.

Lee is/ has been a very good OD and 20/20 bowler as he has raw pace and swings the new white ball. He has always struggled at Test level (against decent opposition) becasue he bowls with a very flat trajectory and doesn't have the ability to move the bowl off the seam.

[mighty_west]

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I couldn't disagree with this more.

Lee is usually a very smart T20 bowler, one of the best (especially his change of pace). The nature of the game is such that every bowler is going to get clobbered from time to time.

Lee's time as a test bowler are gone. He doesn't move it enough and if he's not bowling at 150km he struggles to get out decent batsmen. Changing your pace only works when the batsman is trying to hit you into the next postcode.

Exactly, like they do in 20/Twenty, the other night was one example, another example was one of the games v New Zealand over there a few years back, the very short version of the game requires smarts, it is one thing to get clobbered, but its another to bounce back rather than just trying another faster half volley, the great hitters are going to pick that off everytime.

You see now with 20/Twenty teams and the more use of the medium pacers that can really vary their pace, even land in a slow bouncer that just bamboozles the batsmen, with Lee, with his pace, he has to bowl alot of yorkers to try & nullify the hitters, yet he continues to just land them right in the sweet spot, as much of a strike bowler he has been, he has also been quite an expensive one in the one dayers & especially 20/Twenty.

It's ok for a minnow, a Netherlands, a Holland, they can't handle his pace, but the better sides, they just pick him off with ease, and you quite often see when the slower bowlers are getting on top, Lee comes on and it's like an instant relief for the batsman to belt him out of the park.

Yeah ok, Gayle was in sensational form the other night, yet Lee's first over set the tone, he came on again and went for 27, any chance the Aussies had after that was gone, they were shot.

[mighty_west]

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The other issue with 20/Twenty, is that it is very rare for teams to bowl teams out at the top level, unless again, playing a minnow side, so the "strike bowler" that goes for a few, isn't generally going to be the best option, plus sides tend to stack their line up's with more all rounder types, more hitters.

It's a game where 10-15-20 extra runs really count.

[hujsh]

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Exactly, like they do in 20/Twenty, the other night was one example, another example was one of the games v New Zealand over there a few years back, the very short version of the game requires smarts, it is one thing to get clobbered, but its another to bounce back rather than just trying another faster half volley, the great hitters are going to pick that off everytime.

And the longer version doesn't?

[mighty_west]

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And the longer version doesn't?

Off course it does, it's a totally different game, you need strike bowlers for the longer form of the game, you are rquired to take wickets as your first option, i originally stated that i thought Lee was a good choice to take for the Ashes [in the squad], as for 20/20, we generally see teams maybe lose 4,5,6 wickets on average, very rarely get bowled out, you have bascially got zero margin for error, that goes with loose bowling, loose fielding, and extra's, you simply have to be as tight as posible in all of those area's, at test level, it's not so cut & dry.

[mighty_west]

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That fact that Nathan Bracken is regarded as one of the best 20/20 bowlers is testiment to the type of bowlers required in the shorter game, yet he would never get a crack at Test level!

[Sockeye Salmon]

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You see now with 20/Twenty teams and the more use of the medium pacers that can really vary their pace, even land in a slow bouncer that just bamboozles the batsmen, with Lee, with his pace, he has to bowl alot of yorkers to try & nullify the hitters, yet he continues to just land them right in the sweet spot, as much of a strike bowler he has been, he has also been quite an expensive one in the one dayers & especially 20/Twenty.

Lee got clobbered the other night but that happens to everyone from time to time, it's the nature of the beast, but lee would be one of the best few T20 bowlers going around.

Lee is the king of the slow bouncer.