Sth Africa V England

[ledge]

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Why would a bowler pick the seam?
Why would bowlers stamp their spiked shoes onto the ball?
Why would fieldsman deliberately bounce the ball back to the keeper from 30 meters away?

In case you still can't fathom what that means, it's to gain an advantage that otherwise might take many more overs to occur.

England are a good enough side without taking the short cuts.

All teams do this because apparently it gets to the keeper quicker.

As far as i can see the only thing that the SA team seemed to be upset with was the standing on ball.
Which i agree is pretty stupid.
Picking the seam, i think every team has been accused of that at some stage or another.

Question is if its so blatantly obvious why is the cricket board clearing it and the umpires not reporting or saying something?

Why do teams wait until after a game to bring it up?

Seriously if you were batting and saw it why wouldnt you tell or ask the umpire about it at the time and get them to check the ball?
Its not like you couldnt tell, a picked seam, spike marks and leather hanging off it?

[GVGjr]

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All teams do this because apparently it gets to the keeper quicker.

All teams don't do it but when they do it's because there is a run out chance not just as part of a relay back to the keeper with the batsman standing their ground. The main aim is to rough the ball up quicker than it would otherwise naturally occur.

Dance around it if you want ledge, but they manipulate the rules time and time again. Remember the time wasting in the ashes? SA have experienced this ball tampering before with England.

Some of the teams needs to make official complaints and get a player or two banned.

[ledge]

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All teams don't do it but when they do it's because there is a run out chance not just as part of a relay back to the keeper with the batsman standing their ground. The main aim is to rough the ball up quicker than it would otherwise naturally occur.

Dance around it if you want ledge, but they manipulate the rules time and time again. Remember the time wasting in the ashes? SA have experienced this ball tampering before with England.

Some of the teams needs to make official complaints and get a player or two banned.

I agree but why arent they if its such a big deal ?

Manipulating the rules? if you tampering with the ball its not manipulating the rules its cheating.
My point is only to say whoever it is thats doing it and its so blatant, why arent the people in control doing something or the teams complaining, bringing it up to the right people instead of the media?

[hujsh]

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If this was Australia you'd be all over them.

[GVGjr]

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I agree but why arent they if its such a big deal ?

Manipulating the rules? if you tampering with the ball its not manipulating the rules its cheating.
My point is only to say whoever it is thats doing it and its so blatant, why arent the people in control doing something or the teams complaining, bringing it up to the right people instead of the media?

Because they keep hoping if they point it out England will stop it but they are wrong they won't stop until players get banned and then they will go down the road of 'why wouldn't they warn us if it's such an issue'.

The manipulating the rules comment is about the time wasting which isn't in anyway in the spirit of the game and I'm sure you are aware of it.

Forget about trying to cloud everything about why they haven't made it official and just acknowledge that they are doing the wrong thing and are very lucky that other teams haven't made a bigger deal of it.

[GVGjr]

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[ledge]

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IF thats ball tampering, i agree with the rules committee.
Time wasting has been used by every team in the history of the game when in trouble.

Fact is SA were not good enough to get England out and are embarrassed and looking for excuses because they cant beat what they think is a mediocre side on their home turf.

I find it quite funny that a side like SA who threw games whinge.

[GVGjr]

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IF thats ball tampering, i agree with the rules committee.
Time wasting has been used by every team in the history of the game when in trouble.

Fact is SA were not good enough to get England out and are embarrassed and looking for excuses because they cant beat what they think is a mediocre side on their home turf.

I find it quite funny that a side like SA who threw games whinge.

So you see no problems with picking the seam, standing on the ball and throwing it back with a view of roughing it up?
Says a fair bit actually.

[Remi Moses]

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If this was Australia you'd be all over them.

Spot On if this was The Aussies the outrage would be massive! Gee everyone rattles on about Watson but believe me he's no worse than Stuart Broad. That batting from England was the biggest endorsement for T20 cricket you will ever see,and if we see that more often people will turn off test cricket very quickly!I reckon Smith made the bigger gaff in the First test with his over the top declaratio. I'm just imagining the public outrage if Ponting had been in Smith's boots.

[ledge]

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So you see no problems with picking the seam, standing on the ball and throwing it back with a view of roughing it up?
Says a fair bit actually.

Where did i say that and remember just because SA think they threw it back to rough it up does that make it true?
Its an opinion they made but the cricket chiefs did not agree.

If you look at the video, his hands arent near the seam and there is a white thing on the ball that looks like a little stone he takes off.

I already said its cheating if you do it and what Broad did is wrong, but as i said if its so obvious why did the cricket chiefs clear it?

If all these things were done i agree ban players etc but you say this team has been doing it for years, why has nothing been done?

The problem either lies with the chiefs having no guts or is it just sooking by teams who cant seem to get over the line.

[ledge]

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[QUOTE=GVGjr;132797]So you see no problems with picking the seam, standing on the ball and throwing it back with a view of roughing it up?
Says a fair bit actually.[/QUOTE]

Whats this mean?

[GVGjr]

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I already said its cheating if you do it and what Broad did is wrong, but as i said if its so obvious why did the cricket chiefs clear it?

Because no official complaint was made.

[GVGjr]

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So you see no problems with picking the seam, standing on the ball and throwing it back with a view of roughing it up?
Says a fair bit actually.

Whats this mean?

It seems to me that you really see just a minimal issue with someone using the underside of their spiked boots to stop the ball but I think it's just because it's the English side.

Just look at the evidence in the clip with no commentary and ask yourself if that's within the rules of the game.

By the way if the ball is damaged you don't pick it off the leather to create a rough side you give it to the umpire.

[The Coon Dog]

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This is like an Ernie Sigley thread.

[ledge]

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It seems to me that you really see just a minimal issue with someone using the underside of their spiked boots to stop the ball but I think it's just because it's the English side.

Just look at the evidence in the clip with no commentary and ask yourself if that's within the rules of the game.

By the way if the ball is damaged you don't pick it off the leather to create a rough side you give it to the umpire.

i dont have a minimal issue with that particular point at all , i agree completely with not standing on the ball.

And from the clip i saw a white spot he took off not leather picking, no commentary on i had volume off.

This isnt about who supports who, thats irrelevant.

My main point is as i have said before, why if this is so bad are the cricket chiefs clearing it?
That is the question i put forward.
Any ideas ?