Cameron White?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Cameron White?

Why is anything that happens in a T20 match relevant at all to test cricket?

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Cameron White?

Why is anything that happens in a T20 match relevant at all to test cricket?

I didn't mention T20 cricket.

But I will now. Did Cameron White look scared facing Tait last night?

NB I quite like White, he's a nice guy, a good cricketter, a very good captain, but he isn't Test quality.

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Cameron White?

OK, i've had a deeper think

If you are looking for a guy to bat 6 for Australia and can bowl a bit

Options:

Hopes
Cosgrove (i know, I know)
McDonald
Butterworth
Mitchell Marsh (will be a gun)
S Smith
Maybe D Hussey

BUT, I think the selectors more likely to look at

Henriques (seems to be the chosen one) and defo Vogues.

Dan Christian from SA is maybe gonna get there one day too as one to keep an eye on

[ledge]

Re: Cameron White?

Why is anything that happens in a T20 match relevant at all to test cricket?

Sadly thats the only game thats happening in the first few days of the new year, do they go on games played 2-3 weeks ago or choose out of 20-20 ?

A stupid idea big bash is as far as timing and playing them all in one hit, not allowing the selectors to see players in form in a longer game.

As far as it goes anyway i think these selectors have favourites in mind before the season starts, doesnt matter whther they perform or not.

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Cameron White?

Funny thing, i went for a walk the other day down Rundle Mall, was lunch time of teh Sydney Test, and Andrew Hilditch was walking the other way doing some clothes shopping with his daughter!

[LostDoggy]

Re: Cameron White?

NB I quite like White, he's a nice guy, a good cricketter, a very good captain, but he isn't Test quality.

What's that these days? Steve Smith is apparently in line for a call-up, you don't think White is better than Smith? Or North, for that matter?

And are we talking Ghambir Test quality or Akmal Test quality? Lots of rubbish players have Test caps.

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Cameron White?

What's that these days? Steve Smith is apparently in line for a call-up, you don't think White is better than Smith? Or North, for that matter?

And are we talking Ghambir Test quality or Akmal Test quality? Lots of rubbish players have Test caps.

Australian Test quality.

I wouldn'ty pick Smith for test selection (yet) either, but I think that Smith will (potentially) be a much better bowler then White. Basically i don't think White can bowl, at all. I'm not sure White does, either. How many overs has he bowled in Shield games this year?

[The Pie Man]

Re: Cameron White?

I didn't mention T20 cricket.

But I will now. Did Cameron White look scared facing Tait last night?

NB I quite like White, he's a nice guy, a good cricketter, a very good captain, but he isn't Test quality.

I'd say no - Tait displayed why he's a gun 20/20 cricketer, as batsman always have to look to score, and with that intent in mind, he was as close to unplayable as I've seen.

Bowling the same stuff in a 4-5 day game will no doubt still trouble the batsman, but they'd play it very differently (definitely wouldn't be exposing the 3 pegs like he did last night)

[mighty_west]

Re: Cameron White?

I didn't mention T20 cricket.

But I will now. Did Cameron White look scared facing Tait last night?

NB I quite like White, he's a nice guy, a good cricketter, a very good captain, but he isn't Test quality.

His First class average seems to suggest that he could very well be Test quality as a batsman alone.

If you compare him against others being mentioned, he stacks up extremely well:

Cameron White 179 innings @ 42.18
top score of 260 with 15 tons & 29 half centuries which to me, suggest that he can bat for long periods of time and make big scores, isn't just this big bash 20/20 type hitter.

Compare him to others being mentioned:
Voges 40.11
Cosgrove 43.23
Bailey 38.44
Ferguson 35.08
Klinger 36.06

The beauty with White as well, his leadership qualities as well s being an outstanding first slip fieldsman, forget about him bowling, he wouldn't get in any more overs than say a North or Katich, but batting alone, it reads pretty well.

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Cameron White?

His First class average seems to suggest that he could very well be Test quality as a batsman alone.

If you compare him against others being mentioned, he stacks up extremely well:

Cameron White 179 innings @ 42.18
top score of 260 with 15 tons & 29 half centuries which to me, suggest that he can bat for long periods of time and make big scores, isn't just this big bash 20/20 type hitter.

Compare him to others being mentioned:
Voges 40.11
Cosgrove 43.23
Bailey 38.44
Ferguson 35.08
Klinger 36.06

The beauty with White as well, his leadership qualities as well s being an outstanding first slip fieldsman, forget about him bowling, he wouldn't get in any more overs than say a North or Katich, but batting alone, it reads pretty well.

Yep, can't argue with those stats (for White), they are excellent. I don't for one second think he would be in the selectors long-term plans though.

And without trying to sound like a smarty, what's his Test Average? (and yes i know he's only played a small handfull).

[mighty_west]

Re: Cameron White?

And without trying to sound like a smarty, what's his Test Average? (and yes i know he's only played a small handfull).

Not a total disaster, only the 4 games, 7 innings.

146 runs @ 29.20

Actually, looking at all those batting averages, compare to Marcus North who is in the gun right now, and we an see why he definatly deserved his place, unfortunatly though, has his a bad patch, but his averages more than stack up:

251 innings
10031 runs
44.18 ave
27 hundreds
54 half centuries.

[Mantis]

Re: Cameron White?

His First class average seems to suggest that he could very well be Test quality as a batsman alone.

If you compare him against others being mentioned, he stacks up extremely well:

Cameron White 179 innings @ 42.18
top score of 260 with 15 tons & 29 half centuries which to me, suggest that he can bat for long periods of time and make big scores, isn't just this big bash 20/20 type hitter.

Compare him to others being mentioned:
Voges 40.11
Cosgrove 43.23
Bailey 38.44
Ferguson 35.08
Klinger 36.06

The beauty with White as well, his leadership qualities as well s being an outstanding first slip fieldsman, forget about him bowling, he wouldn't get in any more overs than say a North or Katich, but batting alone, it reads pretty well.

Could you give us a further break-down of White's 1st class numbers by giving us his shield figures as opposed to his county numbers?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Cameron White?

Could you give us a further break-down of White's 1st class numbers by giving us his shield figures as opposed to his county numbers?

White also stuggled in his first 2-3 years. Take them out and it would look more impressive.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Cameron White?

Last year he made 462 runs at 57.7
This year it's 230 @ 46.0

Anything before that is irrelevant.

[hujsh]

Re: Cameron White?

OK, i've had a deeper think

If you are looking for a guy to bat 6 for Australia and can bowl a bit

Options:

Hopes
Cosgrove (i know, I know)
McDonald
Butterworth
Mitchell Marsh (will be a gun)
S Smith
Maybe D Hussey

BUT, I think the selectors more likely to look at

Henriques (seems to be the chosen one) and defo Vogues.

Dan Christian from SA is maybe gonna get there one day too as one to keep an eye on

First of all why do we need a 6 that can bowl a bit now that Watson's in the side?

As for the suggestions

Hopes, a limited cricketer who provides useful seamers and handy batting but has little to offer at test level. A worse batsman than White

Cosgrove, maybe when he consistenly scores runs and gets his body right. A worse batsman than White

McDonald, has performed at a similar level in tests to White though White's batting was improving and had further scope to improve than McDonalds. A worse batsman than White

Butterworth, Played a great shield final but numbers haven't been as great since. A worse batsman than White

Mitchell Marsh, has done nothing. A worse batsman than White

S Smith, done nothing. A worse batsman than White