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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #31
    Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    He's going to have to be very convincing to get another chance. His brother now must be ahead of him.
    Please, enough nepotism. Neither of them have first-class records worthy of Test consideration, much less of an actual call-up: when was the last time we selected a no. 3 with a first-class batting average (35-ish) closer to Mitchell Johnson's (25-ish) than to, say, Michael Hussey's (50-ish)? It's ridiculous. Rahul Dravid has an average of 55 and is struggling at no.3, yet we think a guy with an all-rounder's batting average is going to make it? Much, much greater players than the Marshs never got remotely close to the same chances Shaun's gotten, and there are so many state bats with superior first-class records. The Marshs shouldn't even be in the picture, much less selected.

    Players with their first-class records but with different surnames wouldn't even be on the radar and the more we can weed out selections based on 'mates', nepotism, favouritism etc. the better the LONG-TERM health of cricket in this country (because you'll get a bigger pool of potential applicants for Test positions -- stick with the secret handshake rubbish, especially those based on JUNIOR records FFS, and late-blossoming kids will self-select out for other sports, or gravitate to other pursuits and be lost to the Test scene).

    It never ceases to amaze that a batsman with a 35 batting average is given every chance to cement a F-ING NO.3 spot (with everyone making excuses for your failures), while Khawaja, with an average closer to 50, is always first to make way. Must be great to be mates with everyone in the cricketing fraternity.

    ps. Heck, just for comparison, Cameron White is the same age as Marsh (28) and has a far superior first-class batting average (close to 45 IIRC), and yet is in no-mans land re: Test selection, and was never considered good enough to be a top 6 batsman. If Cam White isn't good enough for Test cricket (and fair enough, he probably isn't), then Marsh shouldn't even be close (and he clearly isn't, based on ability alone).

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    • Remi Moses
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 14785

      #32
      Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

      Tremendous run out of Kohli by Hilfenhaus. The baseball style throw with one stump to aim was outstanding.

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      • Remi Moses
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 14785

        #33
        Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

        Originally posted by GVGjr
        He's going to have to be very convincing to get another chance. His brother now must be ahead of him.
        Heard Kim Hughes saying that Mitch is a poor player off the back foot.
        Needs to get more first class runs and wickets to be considered would have thought.

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        • GVGjr
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 44694

          #34
          Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

          Originally posted by Lantern
          Please, enough nepotism. Neither of them have first-class records worthy of Test consideration, much less of an actual call-up: when was the last time we selected a no.
          I probably should have added an emoticon to highlight that Shaun was at the back of the queue more than Mitch actually being in the selection mix for Test cricket.

          As for Cameron White, like many I was seduced by powerful batting, smart fielding and the potential to throw down a few overs but he had been a major disappointment over the last couple of years and unless he can somehow swing things around I think he is just about poised to have his card stamped to never play for Australia again.
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          • LostDoggy
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            • Jan 2007
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            #35
            Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

            Originally posted by GVGjr
            I probably should have added an emoticon to highlight that Shaun was at the back of the queue more than Mitch actually being in the selection mix for Test cricket.

            As for Cameron White, like many I was seduced by powerful batting, smart fielding and the potential to throw down a few overs but he had been a major disappointment over the last couple of years and unless he can somehow swing things around I think he is just about poised to have his card stamped to never play for Australia again.
            Oh, i don't disagree re: White. My point was why someone with a FAR inferior record to even Whitey would be picked, as a test no.3 no less, and given every chance? If your first class average at 28 years of age is 35, it's not miraculously going to get better at Test level.

            Khawaja has a 47 average, should never have made way for Marsh.

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            • dog town
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2007
              • 1914

              #36
              Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

              Originally posted by Lantern
              Oh, i don't disagree re: White. My point was why someone with a FAR inferior record to even Whitey would be picked, as a test no.3 no less, and given every chance? If your first class average at 28 years of age is 35, it's not miraculously going to get better at Test level.

              Khawaja has a 47 average, should never have made way for Marsh.
              I certainly agree that overall records should be taken into account but you can see why the selectors were hopeful with Marsh. The last 2 shield seasons prior to this one he has averaged just under 60. It is a bit like the original Marcus North situation only he didn't even have current form at that stage. His overall shield average is something like 41 but his season at the time he was picked was even lower.

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              • Remi Moses
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 14785

                #37
                Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                Classic Kerry O'keefe yesterday
                "Dravid's come into bat, the stumps have called for pads"
                Terrific series clean sweep by the Aussies.
                Congratulations to Clarke ( thought Hilfenhaus was stiff) for man of the series.
                Great effort from Peter Siddle on a road of a wicket.
                Now for the pajama game

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #38
                  Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                  Originally posted by Remi Moses
                  Congratulations to Clarke ( thought Hilfenhaus was stiff) for man of the series.
                  Agree Clarke made some big scores but Hifenhaus was the most consistent with a few 5wkt halls thrown in.
                  You could argue a batsman will always out rank a bowler in these sort of things? Or do they?
                  Clarke beats Hilfenhaus for man of the series but Siddle beats Ponting for man of this match,
                  Does a 5wkt + 1wkt beat a batters 220 + 60* For man of the match?
                  Or
                  Does Clarkes 626 @125 beat
                  Hilfenhaus 27 wkts @ 17.22, 44 maidens, 2.77econ?

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44694

                    #39
                    Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                    There is a lot of talk that the Australian side has turned the corner but I don't see it like that. Out batting needs more competition and we need to find another spin bowler.

                    We cam up against a dispirited side and we won convincingly but I just don't trust our batting or our wicket keeper.
                    Khawaja and Maddinson need to keep making runs. Getting Watson back would be great.,
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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15471

                      #40
                      Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      There is a lot of talk that the Australian side has turned the corner but I don't see it like that. Out batting needs more competition and we need to find another spin bowler.

                      We cam up against a dispirited side and we won convincingly but I just don't trust our batting or our wicket keeper.
                      Khawaja and Maddinson need to keep making runs. Getting Watson back would be great.,
                      Lyon is obviously still raw, but with the length of games and type of wickets produced in this series did he get the opportunity to show his worth?

                      The Adelaide wicket was suitable and a 4 wicket haul in the 2nd innings is a good return.

                      I think he is worth persisting with.

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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44694

                        #41
                        Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        Lyon is obviously still raw, but with the length of games and type of wickets produced in this series did he get the opportunity to show his worth?

                        The Adelaide wicket was suitable and a 4 wicket haul in the 2nd innings is a good return.

                        I think he is worth persisting with.
                        I obviously didn't make myself clear, I think we need someone coming on to support Lyon. One spin bowler just isn't enough unless he is a Warne.

                        We need to add depth just about everywhere.
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                        • Remi Moses
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 14785

                          #42
                          Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                          Massive improvement on what's been dished up in the past.
                          The Fielding and bowling have improved tenfold on last season, but there is still glaring defiencies in the top order and the keeper. Although still raw they've got a talent in Lyon, and the leadership has been a big improvement . The Indians are a case of the tail wagging the dog, the ABC guys were saying the top Indian players refuse to do interviews. They got young Ashwin to do the speaking, complete Pampered prince's

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                          • Remi Moses
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 14785

                            #43
                            Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                            Originally posted by GVGjr
                            I obviously didn't make myself clear, I think we need someone coming on to support Lyon. One spin bowler just isn't enough unless he is a Warne.

                            We need to add depth just about everywhere.
                            Definitely don't think they need depth in the pace dept.

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                            • GVGjr
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 44694

                              #44
                              Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                              Originally posted by Remi Moses
                              Definitely don't think they need depth in the pace dept.
                              An injury to one more bowler and knowing Harris has trouble backing up in test matches could change things quickly. I think another quick coming though would be ideal for us given the problems we have had with keeping the quicks playing.
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                              • Remi Moses
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 14785

                                #45
                                Re: 4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

                                Originally posted by GVGjr
                                An injury to one more bowler and knowing Harris has trouble backing up in test matches could change things quickly. I think another quick coming though would be ideal for us given the problems we have had with keeping the quicks playing.
                                Got Starc ( unlucky) Cummins and Pattinson coming through.
                                Couldn't possibly get a worse run in the pace injury dept.
                                The rejuvenation of Hilfenhaus and improvement of Siddle's been massive

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