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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #46
    Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

    ps.

    Following from my previous post, other ridiculously dominant/successful Australian teams/individuals that the Australian public generally like/love/admire:

    Rod Laver, Ian Thorpe, Kieren Perkins, Australian Rugby Team captained by John Eales... I'm sure we can all add more to this list.

    Even Steve Waugh's team, though tough and uncompromising (and crossed the line on several occasions) had the respect of the public. In my opinion, it was because Steve Waugh himself, although a fiercely competitive and patriotic warrior, on the whole carried himself with maturity, more a statesman in the mold of Mark Taylor, and his team seemed to unintentionally cross the line by being overly-competitive, a failing towards which the Australian public is a lot more sympathetic (thus the continued support in many quarters for our Lleyton), but this team crosses the line (or straddles it) by being too clever by half and gamesmanship (which is just a euphemism, of course, for borderline cheating), and comes across as severely childish at times. Ponting, a brilliant batsman and a very good (and lucky) captain tactically, has never been one for niceties or statesmanship (thus immediately appealing to those of us in this country who fancy ourselves as 'battlers'), and comes off churlish and immature in the media whenever his team or himself is criticised. The team do themselves no favours with their apparent arrogance and immaturity in handling criticism. Much of this furor could have been diffused with a more diplomatic and mature hand than the uber-defensive and pouty behaviour shown by Ponting himself and James Sutherland (head of Cricket Australia). Again, rightly or wrongly, as the cricket team is seen as supposed ambassadors of our country, it is a difficult quandary emotionally for many of us who love the institution known as the Australian Cricket Team but regret being represented by individuals (not all, it must be said) who come across as highly-paid, spoilt, and borderline dishonest sportsmen.

    I cheered heartily when Steve Waugh's all-conquering team set the record, and I would have loved to have been able to do the same when this team pulled off the feat of equaling it. Unfortunately, that was not to be for many of us, and for me it had nothing whatsoever to do with dominance or success or anything of the sort. It was simply the bad taste left in the mouth from going-ons (from both teams) from day three to five of this test that, for all the brilliance of the on-field action, was simply 'not cricket'.

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    • hujsh
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2007
      • 11860

      #47
      Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

      Originally posted by G-Mo77
      OK so African Americans calling each other nigger a better fit then? They do it all the time and they're not offended by it.
      It is completely different.
      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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      • Sockeye Salmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 6365

        #48
        Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

        Originally posted by G-Mo77
        As I said regular here but deeply offensive in Asia. Seems pety but this is something that sparked it all. I'm not saying Hogg should be suspended but it was just a point to show the cultural differences involved.

        I think all teams are just being to precious. Like most things now days.

        By the way a black man making another racial remark at another black man like "monkey" seems completely stupid. I'm assuming your a white guy so it would be like me calling you whitey or something like that I'm sure you wouldn't take offence to that.
        Because the monkey chants are directed at someone from an African background rather than Asian or European.

        Prior to the tour "monkey" was on the official list of banned offensive words. Both sides had the opportunity to have any word culturally sensitive added and the Indians had no issue with the word "bastard".

        "Bastard" also has no racial overtones.

        As a side note. In the 1932 bodyline series, Douglas Jardine complained to Bill Woodful about being called a "bastard" by one of the Australian players. Woodful turned to the rest of the team and said "alright, which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?"

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        • Sockeye Salmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 6365

          #49
          Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

          Mantis/Lantern,

          I accept your arguements but don't agree that the Australians behaviour is poor. I think that the Australians behaviour has been perfectly acceptable. It would appear the ICC agrees with me.

          "the Australian team was one of four nominees for the ICC's Spirit of Cricket Awards at the September 2007 awards ceremony. With Ireland being one of the other nominees, the Australian team was considered to play the game in a better spirit than at least seven other ICC full members."





          The media, pandering to the success haters (I include this again for motive) and fed by the Indian management/PR team have deflected the real issues - Harbajan's racist taunt and India's own capitulation (granted helped along by Steve Bucknor).

          Personally, I have no respect for jounalists generally. They decide what will be contraversial and then either twist the facts to make them suit their headline or, like they've done here, simply repeat something over and over again until it is accepted as fact.

          I'm still waiting to find out Australia's crime. Over-appealing? Not walking? Is that the best you can come up with?

          Please.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #50
            Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

            Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
            As a side note. In the 1932 bodyline series, Douglas Jardine complained to Bill Woodful about being called a "bastard" by one of the Australian players. Woodful turned to the rest of the team and said "alright, which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?"
            Might of been the vice captain Victor Richardson?

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #51
              Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

              Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
              I'm still waiting to find out Australia's crime. Over-appealing? Not walking? Is that the best you can come up with?
              No question, journalists certainly do beat things out of proportion at times.

              However, I was very pleased to see that the team has been mature enough to conduct an honest self-appraisal and come out in the press and apologise to 'the sporting public'. Michael Clarke's apology was also welcome, and I for one am more than happy to accept him at face value and not cast aspersions on his motives. On a side note, it is very refreshing to see all this maturity displayed by both sides in the past few days. I am happily proven wrong, having worried that neither team would find the maturity within themselves to have a good hard look at themselves.

              Both sides have also promised to go at it hammer and tongs on the field, which I believe that the everyone will be more than happy with. Competitiveness and doing one's best is not the failing this team was being accused of. Petulance, preciousness and immaturity was.

              (Unfortunately, to try to answer your question, SS, you would agree that these aren't easily quantifiable 'crimes' as such, and, at the risk of a very soft argument, it was more the taste that the team left in the mouth with not a single action as such, but more a collection of little actions, a general attitude, and overall ungraciousness over a significant period of time that came to a head in this last test. However, considering the last few days I am left with a far more optimistic view of this team, and have high hopes for them. Incredible winning records aside, this episode may yet be the true making of a great team, and a great captain.)

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              • hujsh
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2007
                • 11860

                #52
                Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                Originally posted by Lantern
                No question, journalists certainly do beat things out of proportion at times.

                However, I was very pleased to see that the team has been mature enough to conduct an honest self-appraisal and come out in the press and apologise to 'the sporting public'. Michael Clarke's apology was also welcome, and I for one am more than happy to accept him at face value and not cast aspersions on his motives. On a side note, it is very refreshing to see all this maturity displayed by both sides in the past few days. I am happily proven wrong, having worried that neither team would find the maturity within themselves to have a good hard look at themselves.
                Also that India has dropped the charges on Hogg. They both obviously have cooled down and taken a look through each others point of views.
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                • hujsh
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 11860

                  #53
                  Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                  Originally posted by Lantern
                  (Unfortunately, to try to answer your question, SS, you would agree that these aren't easily quantifiable 'crimes' as such, and, at the risk of a very soft argument, it was more the taste that the team left in the mouth with not a single action as such, but more a collection of little actions, a general attitude, and overall ungraciousness over a significant period of time that came to a head in this last test. However, considering the last few days I am left with a far more optimistic view of this team, and have high hopes for them. Incredible winning records aside, this episode may yet be the true making of a great team, and a great captain.)
                  There was a piece in the Herald Sun by Trevor Grant about how cricketers and cricket enthusiasts seem to think of the sport as pure and don't realize it is just like every sport where winning is the main goal.



                  If your interested
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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #54
                    Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                    Originally posted by hujsh
                    There was a piece in the Herald Sun by Trevor Grant about how cricketers and cricket enthusiasts seem to think of the sport as pure and don't realize it is just like every sport where winning is the main goal.



                    If your interested


                    Thanks, cheers!

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #55
                      Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                      here are a couple more with more views on similar themes, if interested...



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                      • Sockeye Salmon
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 6365

                        #56
                        Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                        That Larry Scott bloke is a wanker.

                        "...the WTA Tour has worked fervently to ensure we have one of the most rigorous and comprehensive anti-doping programs in sports.

                        We have also taken measures with the other bodies in tennis to prevent match-fixing, including information-sharing agreements with betting regulators, periodic and regular performance reviews of umpires and other officials and anti-corruption education.

                        These actions were initiated before doping has become a problem on the tour and before match-fixing has ever touched our sport, but we recognise that significant threats exist..."


                        He's basically saying 'I'm shit hot and we've never had a problem in tennis because I'm onto it'.

                        He might want to have a chat with Petr Korda and Nicholi Davydenko.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #57
                          Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                          Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                          That Larry Scott bloke is a wanker.

                          "...the WTA Tour has worked fervently to ensure we have one of the most rigorous and comprehensive anti-doping programs in sports.

                          We have also taken measures with the other bodies in tennis to prevent match-fixing, including information-sharing agreements with betting regulators, periodic and regular performance reviews of umpires and other officials and anti-corruption education.

                          These actions were initiated before doping has become a problem on the tour and before match-fixing has ever touched our sport, but we recognise that significant threats exist..."


                          He's basically saying 'I'm shit hot and we've never had a problem in tennis because I'm onto it'.

                          He might want to have a chat with Petr Korda and Nicholi Davydenko.
                          ---

                          I think the WTA is the Women's Tennis Association. I believe the ATP is the body responsible for investigating match-fixing in the men's game. I don't know Larry Scott personally and have no comment on his character. It is a widely held belief though that the women's game is slightly less susceptible to match-fixing because of certain restrictions and protection that exists for the female players that as of now do not apply to the men.

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                          • Sockeye Salmon
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6365

                            #58
                            Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                            I haven't seen the papers this morning, but I assume they're full of reports about how the Indians shouldn't have appealed for the Gilchrist dismissal and calls for Tendulkar to be sacked for not walking? What a cheat!

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                            • GVGjr
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 44462

                              #59
                              Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                              Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                              I haven't seen the papers this morning, but I assume they're full of reports about how the Indians shouldn't have appealed for the Gilchrist dismissal and calls for Tendulkar to be sacked for not walking? What a cheat!
                              Most of what I heard on SEN was around the fact that Gilly shouldn't walk.
                              Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                              • Mantis
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 15370

                                #60
                                Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

                                FWIW can we change the title of this thread to 'Ponting must be dropped'. His footwork is horrible at present and he is in desperate need of some runs.

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