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  • Greystache
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Dec 2009
    • 9775
    #151
    Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

    Originally posted by Sedat
    You've got it arse-about 'stache. it is an illness affecting form - actually it is an illness affecting all aspects of his life, not just the 0.00005% of the time in his life when he is facing a fast bowler.
    How can I have it arse about? He's supposedly managed it his whole Test career, right from his first game, yet it's preventing him from playing just as his form has deteriorated?

    I'm sure there'll be a chicken-egg debate that could roll on forever, but if teams were still pitching up to him and targeting the stumps, and the runs were still flowing, I don't doubt for a second he'd still be on the tour. He seems to be Graeme Hick reincarnated.
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      • Happy Days
        Hall of Fame
        • May 2008
        • 10157
        #152
        Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

        Originally posted by Greystache
        Flower says he's been dealing with his problems since 2009, before his debut. He's hardly been able to make a run in 12 months since teams have started targeting him.

        Seems to me it's a form related illness.
        Are you implying that his illness only exists as an excuse for his poor form?

        Because that is a really really stupid way of looking at mental illness.
        - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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          • Sedat
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2007
            • 11278
            #153
            Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

            Originally posted by Greystache
            How can I have it arse about? He's supposedly managed it his whole Test career, right from his first game, yet it's preventing him from playing just as his form has deteriorated?
            He's been struggling with the illness even when successful, as have others like Harmison and Trescothick. He could care less about what scores he is currently making, and he more than likely couldn't have cared less when he was peeling off hundreds. Every day would have been a struggle for him, and good on him for now taking the first steps to overcome this illness and take care of his health.

            I think you've read this issue completely wrong.
            "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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              • Greystache
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Dec 2009
                • 9775
                #154
                Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                Originally posted by Sedat
                He's been struggling with the illness even when successful, as have others like Harmison and Trescothick. He could care less about what scores he is currently making, and he more than likely couldn't have cared less when he was peeling off hundreds. Every day would have been a struggle for him, and good on him for now taking the first steps to overcome this illness and take care of his health.

                I think you've read this issue completely wrong.
                We'll agree to disagree then. This isn't the first step, he's supposedly been receiving treatment for 4 years, this is just the first time during that period he's stopped playing.
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                  • hujsh
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 11849
                    #155
                    Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                    I think we all have to accept we can only speculate as to how Trott's form is affected by his depression and even he probably can't say for sure to what extent one is causing the other.
                    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                      • Ghost Dog
                        WOOF Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 9404
                        #156
                        Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                        I cant for the life of me ever imagine an AFL player coming out in the press to call another player weak. Very unprofessional by Warner.
                        You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                          • Happy Days
                            Hall of Fame
                            • May 2008
                            • 10157
                            #157
                            Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                            Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                            I cant for the life of me ever imagine an AFL player coming out in the press to call another player weak. Very unprofessional by Warner.
                            To be fair to Warner, he didn't call him weak, just his dismissal.
                            - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                              • Topdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 7471
                                #158
                                Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                Stache I think you are probably not in a position to speak about mental health based on your posts in this thread.

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                                  • Greystache
                                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                                    • Dec 2009
                                    • 9775
                                    #159
                                    Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                    Originally posted by Topdog
                                    Stache I think you are probably not in a position to speak about mental health based on your posts in this thread.
                                    That's your opinion. Have a read of what some of the people who know him well are saying.
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                                      • lemmon
                                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                                        • Nov 2008
                                        • 6528
                                        #160
                                        Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                        The reality is none of us are in the dressing room or close to the guy, back onto the cricket please. Does Bell move up or do they blood someone new to come in at 3?

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                                          • Greystache
                                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                                            • Dec 2009
                                            • 9775
                                            #161
                                            Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                            Originally posted by lemmon
                                            The reality is none of us are in the dressing room or close to the guy, back onto the cricket please. Does Bell move up or do they blood someone new to come in at 3?
                                            Talk is Root at 3 and a new batsman at 6. Big challenge for Root, just as likely to break him as make him.
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                                              • lemmon
                                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                                • Nov 2008
                                                • 6528
                                                #162
                                                Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                                Originally posted by Greystache
                                                Talk is Root at 3 and a new batsman at 6. Big challenge for Root, just as likely to break him as make him.
                                                Wrong move for mine, its a bit of the Hughes treatment. Need to decide if he's a middle order player or an opener, Harris will be licking his lips to get at him with the new ball. They need to trust Bells maturity and put him in the vital spot.

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                                                  • Greystache
                                                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                                                    • Dec 2009
                                                    • 9775
                                                    #163
                                                    Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                                    Originally posted by lemmon
                                                    Wrong move for mine, its a bit of the Hughes treatment. Need to decide if he's a middle order player or an opener, Harris will be licking his lips to get at him with the new ball. They need to trust Bells maturity and put him in the vital spot.
                                                    That would probably be the best thing for team balance, but well established English players aren't known for being willing to risk their own prosperity for the benefit of the team. It would make a statement that the culture of the English team had changed if he did, but I'm not holding my breath.
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                                                      • Ghost Dog
                                                        WOOF Member
                                                        • May 2010
                                                        • 9404
                                                        #164
                                                        Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                                        Doesn't quite excuse Clarke - he is a captain. Should know better to resort to school yard antics. Do we expect captains to behave in a decent manner anymore?
                                                        You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                                                          • azabob
                                                            Hall of Fame
                                                            • Sep 2008
                                                            • 15335
                                                            #165
                                                            Re: First Test: Australia V England, Gabba

                                                            Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                                                            Doesn't quite excuse Clarke - he is a captain. Should know better to resort to school yard antics. Do we expect captains to behave in a decent manner anymore?
                                                            GD, do you seriously believe that no other captain has not said anything similar?
                                                            More of an In Bruges guy?

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