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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 45017
    #226
    Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

    Okay, it's time for some more analysis.

    How would we have rated the draft if the bid for Ben Keays wasn't matched and we ended up with him and Dunkley at 25 and 26?
    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34289
        #227
        Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

        Originally posted by GVGjr
        Okay, it's time for some more analysis.

        How would we have rated the draft if the bid for Ben Keays wasn't matched and we ended up with him and Dunkley at 25 and 26?
        Would we have gone Dunkley if Keays went thru? I think not, Dalrymple seems chuffed with Collins.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 45017
            #228
            Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            Would we have gone Dunkley if Keays went thru? I think not, Dalrymple seems chuffed with Collins.
            If we rated Collins higher than Dunkley we should have selected him first. The difference in points for the bid to be matched wasn't much.

            Lets assume it was Keays and Dunkley, how would we now rate the draft?
            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • comrade
                Hall of Fame
                • Jun 2008
                • 18093
                #229
                Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                Would we have gone Dunkley if Keays went thru? I think not, Dalrymple seems chuffed with Collins.
                Yep, not a chance we miss out on Collins.
                Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34289
                    #230
                    Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    If we rated Collins higher than Dunkley we should have selected him first. The difference in points for the bid to be matched wasn't much.
                    I think keep them honest and go with a higher points first. All hypothetical now, Collins is a dog and were not giving him back!
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • comrade
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 18093
                        #231
                        Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        If we rated Collins higher than Dunkley we should have selected him first. The difference in points for the bid to be matched wasn't much.
                        Why? Makes sense to extract the maximum out of a bid, even if it's not a great difference.

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        Lets assume it was Keays and Dunkley, how would we now rate the draft?
                        Collins makes it an A draft.

                        Without Collins, its a C+/B.

                        His addition to the list could be a game changer.
                        Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 45017
                            #232
                            Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                            Originally posted by comrade
                            Why? Makes sense to extract the maximum out of a bid, even if it's not a great difference.
                            I will try and make it a bit clearer, Sydney was either going to match the bid or not, the difference in points wasn't going to make it or break it for them. They were never going to match either of those picks because they would have had to go into deficit next year to match it.
                            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 45017
                                #233
                                Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                Originally posted by comrade
                                Collins makes it an A draft.

                                Without Collins, its a C+/B.

                                His addition to the list could be a game changer.
                                I think that's the way so many people would see it.

                                Had we selected Keays and Collins I think most would regard it on the high side.

                                I think Collins is the one many of our fans believe is the game (draft) changer with Adams topping it off.
                                Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                                  • bulldogtragic
                                    The List Manager
                                    • Jan 2007
                                    • 34289
                                    #234
                                    Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                    Clearly our club think the bees knees of Dunkley. With so many other likely types Hibberd, Bonner etc, the club really believes in him. So I can only assume there's a very good reason for it and that is somewhat reassuring.
                                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                                      • LostDoggy
                                        WOOF Member
                                        • Jan 2007
                                        • 8307
                                        #235
                                        Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                        Reckon we would've loved Keays. Will follow him with interest.

                                        On the flip side, would be fascinated to know who we would've taken should Sydney have matched bids with Dunkley.

                                        As an aside, is Dunkley the first ever unmatched academy/fatherson bid?

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                                          • jazzadogs
                                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                                            • Oct 2008
                                            • 5721
                                            #236
                                            Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                                            Clearly our club think the bees knees of Dunkley. With so many other likely types Hibberd, Bonner etc, the club really believes in him. So I can only assume there's a very good reason for it and that is somewhat reassuring.
                                            With my limited knowledge, this was my concern too. Players like Balic, Mathieson, Bonner were highly rated and still available but we still went for Dunkley.

                                            Clearly we rated him higher, but I couldn't see anything on his highlights tapes which suggested elite talents.

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                                              • Twodogs
                                                Moderator
                                                • Nov 2006
                                                • 27664
                                                #237
                                                Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                                Originally posted by PeanutsPeanuts
                                                Reckon we would've loved Keays. Will follow him with interest.

                                                On the flip side, would be fascinated to know who we would've taken should Sydney have matched bids with Dunkley.

                                                As an aside, is Dunkley the first ever unmatched academy/fatherson bid?
                                                I think Dunkley is the first unmatched bidder on player too

                                                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                                                Would we have gone Dunkley if Keays went thru? I think not, Dalrymple seems chuffed with Collins.
                                                What would have happened if we bidded on both and the swans didn't match? Would we have been spewing seeing Collins fall and not been able to pick him?
                                                They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                                                  • FrediKanoute
                                                    Coaching Staff
                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                    • 3859
                                                    #238
                                                    Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                                    Originally posted by jazzadogs
                                                    With my limited knowledge, this was my concern too. Players like Balic, Mathieson, Bonner were highly rated and still available but we still went for Dunkley.

                                                    Clearly we rated him higher, but I couldn't see anything on his highlights tapes which suggested elite talents.
                                                    Can he kick? His dad couldn't - was a horrible kick of the footy

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                                                      • Twodogs
                                                        Moderator
                                                        • Nov 2006
                                                        • 27664
                                                        #239
                                                        Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                                        What happened to Bevo anyway? Why didn't he read any players out?
                                                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                                                          • LostDoggy
                                                            WOOF Member
                                                            • Jan 2007
                                                            • 8307
                                                            #240
                                                            Re: AFL Draft Day 2015

                                                            Originally posted by Twodogs
                                                            What happened to Bevo anyway? Why didn't he read any players out?
                                                            Seemed they only had coaches read out picks on first round? Would've preferred them do it all the way through.

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