Cam McCarthy goes home

[GVGjr]

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Is he entitled to sick leave and/or annual leave until it is used up? Serious question as I assume footballers are entitled to it, but I've no idea.

I don't think homesickness would qualify as sick leave but I would imagine the club will continue to pay him for a period of time as it's the decent thing to do. Perhaps after 2 months and if they get the vibe he is unlikely to return they might have a rethink.

[bulldogtragic]

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I don't think homesickness would qualify as sick leave but I would imagine the club will continue to pay him for a period of time as it's the decent thing to do. Perhaps after 2 months and if they get the vibe he is unlikely to return they might have a rethink.

Home sickness is actually a form of diagnosable mental illness:

"Whereas separation anxiety disorder is characterized by "inappropriate and excessive fear or anxiety concerning separation from those to whom the individual is attached" [16] symptoms of homesickness are most prominent after a separation and include both depression and anxiety. In DSM terms, homesickness may be related to Separation Anxiety Disorder, but it is perhaps best categorized as either an Adjustment Disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood (309.28) or, for immigrants and foreign students as a V62.4, Acculturation Difficulty. As noted above, researchers use the following definition: "Homesickness is the distress or impairment caused by an actual or anticipated separation from home. Its cognitive hallmark is preoccupying thoughts of home and attachment objects." Recent pathogenic models support the possibility that homesickness reflects both insecure attachment and a variety of emotional and cognitive vulnerabilities, such as little previous experience away from home and negative attitudes about the novel environment."

Having found and read this, he could comfortably qualify for Workcover for the duration of his contract or until traded.

[GVGjr]

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Home sickness is actually a form of diagnosable mental illness:

"Whereas separation anxiety disorder is characterized by "inappropriate and excessive fear or anxiety concerning separation from those to whom the individual is attached" [16] symptoms of homesickness are most prominent after a separation and include both depression and anxiety. In DSM terms, homesickness may be related to Separation Anxiety Disorder, but it is perhaps best categorized as either an Adjustment Disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood (309.28) or, for immigrants and foreign students as a V62.4, Acculturation Difficulty. As noted above, researchers use the following definition: "Homesickness is the distress or impairment caused by an actual or anticipated separation from home. Its cognitive hallmark is preoccupying thoughts of home and attachment objects." Recent pathogenic models support the possibility that homesickness reflects both insecure attachment and a variety of emotional and cognitive vulnerabilities, such as little previous experience away from home and negative attitudes about the novel environment."

Having found and read this, he could comfortably qualify for Workcover for the duration of his contract or until traded.

Can you still be homesick if you are actually at home over a long period? Either way if he deserves to be paid then so be it. The club won't do the wrong thing by him.

[ratsmac]

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Poor kid. I thought last year when he requested a trade he was just trying to force GWS hand to trade him. Well as it turns out he was really homesick. I wish him well.

Is it wrong for me to be happy that this happened to the Shite stain of a pretend club?

[bulldogtragic]

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Can you still be homesick if you are actually at home over a long period? Either way if he deserves to be paid then so be it. The club won't do the wrong thing by him.

You'd have to ask a psychiatrist, but my guess would be yes. Reading the above the diagnosable mental illness has a component about negative attitudes about the (GWS) environment. So he's away from stimulus or trigger to his illness, but a return to the GWS would take him back to square one. When you hear Tom Boyd and other top players who wanted out, under contract or not, they cite the plastic culture, the fish bowl their in and separation from family. Obviously our Tom Boyd had a heap of money on the table, but he and his manager mainly cited being away from family and that he'd leave no matter what the next year. We didn't question it as footy fans. I think this is more of an indictment on GWS culture and environment that kids are cueing up to leave. Compare their set up of having the kids live in a collective in a shit hole, compared to our club where as soon as our draftees were picked they had a spot in share houses with suitable mentors and Jed Adcock was actually living with Bevo for a month. The reason I contrast it is because the medical diagnosis is about a perceived negative environment which dozens of former GWS players have cited, and some quit AFL all together didn't they? It sounds like a low security prison, living in a cluster on top of each other, not liking the suburb, meals made for you, blokes escaping and the joint is run by boarder line incompetent muppets. Perhaps the focus should be on how their kids are surviving up there. Tom Boyd has said as much as Cam did and broke his contract, but Tom's not singled out and the only difference is GWS let Tom go and didn't let Cam go. I'm giving Cam a pass, but not GWS as its a serious long term pattern of unhappy kids cueing up to leave and my assumption is they're not doing enough. The AFL and AFLPA should be making this a priority if they intend to support GWS long term.

[GVGjr]

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While there is an obvious link between the two I think there are significant differences between McCartney and Boyd looking to depart GWS:

- Tom would have served out his contract with GWS. Had Griffen not decided to leave us I believe Tom would have remained at GWS for another year.
- Tom didn't sign an extension like McCartney did in fact he was clear that he wasn't interested in doing so and as a result GWS knew they had a challenge to keep him. In the end an offer of a top flight player and an early draft pick got the deal done with GWS.
- Freo didn't quite stump up what GWS might have considered like we did. Had they gone harder, that deal could have got done.

Perhaps a better comparison to consider would be Griffen departing us and McCartney looking to depart GWS.
There might not be a diagnosable name that can be labeled as a reason for Griffen's sudden departure but he sort of demanded to go to GWS (one specific club) and there was an implied threat that he could very well stand out of football if a trade wasn't made. Clearly he wasn't coping with the demands of being an AFL player and a captain of a struggling club.
Griffen was publicly seen as weak and a traitor and was lambasted by the majority of our fans. No allowance was made for whatever condition had him demanding a trade and some can't even bring themselves to say or spell his name correctly.
McCartney made a late season demand to go to one specific club back home and the parties couldn't meet with a suitable deal so it didn't get done. GWS even put in a program to help him get home more frequently this year and they will no doubt support him while he is back home now.

For what it's worth I think the Griffen and McCartney comparison is a bit closer to the mark than Boyd/McCartney one.
Griffen and McCartney weren't coping with the demands of being an AFL player and both of them were looking for an out. I really hope McCartney gets better.

[Go_Dogs]

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I'm not sure what the answer is here, but if you're a player manager, you better make sure your client understands the ramifications of extending a contract (and your instructions are in writing!).

A young person making a decision and regretting it is not something new. If Cam needs some help, hopefully he's getting it.

[soupman]

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GVGjr I like your posts but his name is McCarthy not McCartney.

As you were

[bulldogtragic]

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While there is an obvious link between the two I think there are significant differences between McCartney and Boyd looking to depart GWS:

- Tom would have served out his contract with GWS. Had Griffen not decided to leave us I believe Tom would have remained at GWS for another year.
- Tom didn't sign an extension like McCartney did in fact he was clear that he wasn't interested in doing so and as a result GWS knew they had a challenge to keep him. In the end an offer of a top flight player and an early draft pick got the deal done with GWS.
- Freo didn't quite stump up what GWS might have considered like we did. Had they gone harder, that deal could have got done.

Perhaps a better comparison to consider would be Griffen departing us and McCartney looking to depart GWS.
There might not be a diagnosable name that can be labeled as a reason for Griffen's sudden departure but he sort of demanded to go to GWS (one specific club) and there was an implied threat that he could very well stand out of football if a trade wasn't made. Clearly he wasn't coping with the demands of being an AFL player and a captain of a struggling club.
Griffen was publicly seen as weak and a traitor and was lambasted by the majority of our fans. No allowance was made for whatever condition had him demanding a trade and some can't even bring themselves to say or spell his name correctly.
McCartney made a late season demand to go to one specific club back home and the parties couldn't meet with a suitable deal so it didn't get done. GWS even put in a program to help him get home more frequently this year and they will no doubt support him while he is back home now.

For what it's worth I think the Griffen and McCartney comparison is a bit closer to the mark than Boyd/McCartney one.
Griffen and McCartney weren't coping with the demands of being an AFL player and both of them were looking for an out. I really hope McCartney gets better.

Both were in a garbage environment which is the issue, but Tom and Cam are more close than that as Cam is still serving his contract. He hasn't broken it, he's requested compassionate leave to deal with a complex problem. Also, Peter Gordon sacked Macca, let his assists leave without a fight, let the CEO go, oversaw Cooney and Higgins leaving and picked a new fresh coach, exemplary new CEO and went about changing our club from toxic as hell to a positive, progressive and great environment to deliver excellence. GWS guns have been cueing to the state boarder to leave be it Boyd or McCarthy, Treloar etc. This is the issue.

I don't see it as a McCarthy issue, but a welfare issue at a club that is seeing kids quit footy all together let alone the rush to get of there. The contract extension is irrelevant. If he thought when signing it he could remain in the asylum for the period then that's why he signed it. He believed he really could. Having life and head space changes is not a fault of his. Someone may sign up to the military for 3 years and then after a year request out because of facing mental illness challenges. The military might not discharge them, but they'll be serving their contract away from the frontline. A contract extension and then mental illness later down the track just isn't relevant, if he thought this would happen he wouldn't have signed it. Ergo, why I don't blame him. But why is this happening in epidemic proportions at GWS? This to me is the real question because if it doesn't get addressed immediately, then the cue will line up in again and again and the kids drafted to that club deserve better.

[Twodogs]

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I'm not sure what the answer is here, but if you're a player manager, you better make sure your client understands the ramifications of extending a contract (and your instructions are in writing!).

A young person making a decision and regretting it is not something new. If Cam needs some help, hopefully he's getting it.

This. I often wonder when I hear tgat so and so 18 yo has signed an extension to his contract how much he understands/wants/drives that extension and how much his management and club got together and decided it was "in everybody's best interests" they announced their top draft pick from lasts year has signed an extension with the club.

Sure he gets more money/tenure and getting that is the managers first duty to his client ticked off. The club that was embarrassed the year before locks a young talent away but did anyone ask McCarthy what he really wanted?

[Testekill]

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There's actually a discussion on reddit about this. Yes, pinch of salt when people say that they know someone but he had apparently been seeing a counsellor last year and comes across more than willing to just give up his AFL career just to return home which certainly doesn't sound like someone chasing a contract.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/4369ez/gws_forward_cameron_mccarthy_granted_indefinite/

If he had been seeing their counsellor last year and they still refused to trade him then GWS get everything that comes to them.

[Twodogs]

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There's actually a discussion on reddit about this. Yes, pinch of salt when people say that they know someone but he had apparently been seeing a counsellor last year and comes across more than willing to just give up his AFL career just to return home which certainly doesn't sound like someone chasing a contract.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/4369ez/gws_forward_cameron_mccarthy_granted_indefinite/

If he had been seeing their counsellor last year and they still refused to trade him then GWS get everything that comes to them.

There are some interesting views expressed there. It would be great to live in the binary world some of those posters live in where there are no shades of grey.

[Dry Rot]

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I'm on McCarthy's side.

Listening to hours and hours of Ryan Griffen's pig hunting stories would send anyone bonkers and want to go home.

[Greystache]

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There are some interesting views expressed there. It would be great to live in the binary world some of those posters live in where there are no shades of grey.

There's some pretty high brow thinking in that group.

It seems being homesick for a move back to Perth meant going to Fremantle only. Its a pity there isn't another club there that he could've considered when it looked like the deal wasn't going to get done, especially seeing how desperate he reportedly was.

[Greystache]

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This is probably just coincidental