Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

It's very sloppy reporting. "It has been reported that up to 11 players have tested positive." and then " 11 players have not tested positive ".
On a side note, it's been a tough few months for TheAge. One of their reporters had a stroke, Jesse Hogan, and I have not heard anything of his condition. Hope he is ok. Jake Niall also quit recently I think?

[Twodogs]

Re: Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

It's very sloppy reporting. "It has been reported that up to 11 players have tested positive." and then " 11 players have not tested positive ".
On a side note, it's been a tough few months for TheAge. One of their reporters had a stroke, Jesse Hogan, and I have not heard anything of his condition. Hope he is ok. Jake Niall also quit recently I think?

Jesse Hogan had a stroke? He's just a kid. He wouldn't be older than mid 30s surely?

Gee I hope he's OK.

[GVGjr]

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It is inevitable. Prohibition doesn't work. People will take drugs despite education or wealth. In fact the wealth and fame of the players just makes the drugs more accessible for them. The problem will go away in the AFL when it goes away in society.

I don't agree. The problem is being managed poorly by the AFL and once it gets serious and suspends players for long periods it might grab the attention of a lot of them and start them having a rethink.

This shouldn't be accepted by the AFL or any club. 12 month suspensions for 2nd offenses should be considered.

[Twodogs]

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Fair enough mate, I had a fairly decent affair with rec drugs growing myself. Lost a few friends to it a long the way, but not as many to legal drugs like Smokes and booze which to me a are a far greater problem on society.

Maybe I'm a bit desensitised to it with the industry I work in and with the stories you hear about every club(form top AFL to some country clubs). It sadly is the norm for a lot of young adults nowadays.

I've got a 17 yo and a 14 yo and I am anything but a helicopter parent but I watch for signs of use like a hawk. I've had no cause for concern so far.

It's an arbitrary descriptor though as there's no real logic behind what's legal versus illegal.

It's a topic with not a lot of logic in it.

[Ghost Dog]

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Jesse Hogan had a stroke? He's just a kid. He wouldn't be older than mid 30s surely?

Gee I hope he's OK.

Yes, he was in a critical condition last I heard.

[Bornadog]

Re: Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

It's very sloppy reporting. "It has been reported that up to 11 players have tested positive." and then " 11 players have not tested positive ".
On a side note, it's been a tough few months for TheAge. One of their reporters had a stroke, Jesse Hogan, and I have not heard anything of his condition. Hope he is ok. Jake Niall also quit recently I think?

Thanks for the update on Hogan, didn't know he had a stroke.

Jake left The Age and is now with Fox Footy.

[jeemak]

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I don't agree. The problem is being managed poorly by the AFL and once it gets serious and suspends players for long periods it might grab the attention of a lot of them and start them having a rethink.

This shouldn't be accepted by the AFL or any club. 12 month suspensions for 2nd offenses should be considered.

G, you may have already stated your reasons for wanting to go so hard on this, so forgive me for requesting you repeat yourself if that's the case.

Is it because they're illegal that you believe the AFL should be doing more? Is it that black and white for you?

My personal view is they should be doing less and society should be approaching the issue from the opposite direction. The most concerning thing is that governing bodies from WADA to the local level only include illegal substances within their codes for the maintenance of sport's image.

My employer can randomly drug test me. Even if I'm not drug impaired I can be severely disciplined if they find traces of drugs within my system. It's overreach, and has nothing to do with my well-being.

Here's a brief but interesting take on things from Peter FitzSimmons:

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/the-fitz-files/if-afl-players-are-drugtested-then-ceo-gillon-mclachlan-should-be-as-well-20160325-gnr0s8.html

I tend to agree with him. If the AFL was serious about itself as an organisation and was so concerned over the welfare of players and their exposure to illegal drugs, then they should extend the same care to all of their employees and those of their clubs. If it's such an important health issue then this is the least they could do.

[Hotdog60]

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I'll just throw a hypothetical one out there and this is not my view on the subject but..

If the AFL had a rule that one strike and you test positive of a banned substance your career is over and see you later would that have the deterrent to not use. The key here is they have to test positive.

[chef]

Re: Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

I've got a 17 yo and a 14 yo and I am anything but a helicopter parent but I watch for signs of use like a hawk. I've had no cause for concern so far.

Yeah, im the same. I have an 18, 17 and 12 year old and ive been pretty lucky so far. I was a terrible child/teen/young adult, but one benefit of that is i know most tricks and signs.

[jeemak]

Re: Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

I'll just throw a hypothetical one out there and this is not my view on the subject but..

If the AFL had a rule that one strike and you test positive of a banned substance your career is over and see you later would that have the deterrent to not use. The key here is they have to test positive.

For some it would, for others it wouldn't.

People/players use illegal drugs for various reasons. Some do it for fun, others do it because of more personal reasons that can relate to mental or emotional health. Ruining careers because somebody's turned to illegal drugs, particularly in the latter case, is well over the top.

[EasternWest]

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For me a term like recreational drugs is problematic. I don't hide the fact that I am a recovering addict (8 years last month woo hoo!) and have massive problems with all sorts of substances. I have effectively cut my life short by years.

Anyway using recreational instead of Illegal or Illicit as a descriptor for drugs make them seem more alluring in a tiny way for mine. I'd rather we called them for what they are.

Legend.

[Twodogs]

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Yeah, im the same. I have an 18, 17 and 12 year old and ive been pretty lucky so far. I was a terrible child/teen/young adult, but one benefit of that is i know most tricks and signs.

I must have been a rotten kid to parent My rebellious streak, my contrary, argumentative nature, my refusal to concede a point. And then I became a teenager! I was complaining to mum about something one of the kids had done the other day and she pointed out to me that when I was my daughters age I rang her from Sydney without having told her I was going there and when I was my sons age I went to the milk bar one evening and she didn't hear from me for two and a half weeks afterwards.

I'll just throw a hypothetical one out there and this is not my view on the subject but..

If the AFL had a rule that one strike and you test positive of a banned substance your career is over and see you later would that have the deterrent to not use. The key here is they have to test positive.

For some but not for compulsive users.

It depends on what you want your testing system to achieve. If it's to root out all the users then the one strike model is the one you'd use but you would lose a lot of players. If you want to help people to stop or educate them about the dangers then you would go with a different model.

It's a really complicated problem for some people. Even with the most draconian conditions some will find a way. When you use you are gambling with your life anyway.

Legend.

Thanks mate. Life is good.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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I don't agree. The problem is being managed poorly by the AFL and once it gets serious and suspends players for long periods it might grab the attention of a lot of them and start them having a rethink.

This shouldn't be accepted by the AFL or any club. 12 month suspensions for 2nd offenses should be considered.

The AFL handling of the drugs issue has been pathetic eg its role in the Essendon saga being a classic example. It was wrong of MRobinson to single out Collingwood when the abuse is so wide spread. The AFL appears incapable of proper governance to ensure the game is free of the drugs scourge.Too much money invariably leads to bad habits.

[Bornadog]

Re: Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

Anyone watch AFL 360 tonight. It was on for young and old when Buckley came on. Scott wasn't happy with Robbo either.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Robbo Reporting 11 Collingwood Players tested Positive to Drugs in Offseason

Anyone watch AFL 360 tonight. It was on for young and old when Buckley came on. Scott wasn't happy with Robbo either.

Yes BAD it made for good tv.