Travis Cloke

[lemmon]

Re: Travis Cloke

I would prefer Vickery than Cloke. He can ruck as well and is a free Agent so won't cost us a draft pick.

Would cost 400k rather than 200k though

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Travis Cloke

Would cost 400k rather than 200k though

If Carlton paid half Liam Jones, he would cost $160,000 or so. There's a reason they're cheap, they've played half a year in the VFL, can't kick straight and have had similar 2016's.

Or, if those Stevens rumours are right, move some of his allocated re-mewing salary (& trade value) towards securing both Hurley & Vickery.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Travis Cloke

Vickery is a complete spud. Not to be touched with a barge pole.

[Bulldog4life]

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Vickery is a complete spud. Not to be touched with a barge pole.

They said that about Stanley and Leigh Brown and many others.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Travis Cloke

Vickery is a complete spud. Not to be touched with a barge pole.

Same was said about similar players in 2008 & 2010. Leigh Brown delistee and drafted at pick 73 and David Hale traded for pick 53. Grand finals &/or premierships within two years. Neither superstars, but important players who had a specific role and played it well. They also allowed for other structural gains in their sides up forward and across the rucking/utility areas. Not every player needs to be thoroughbred, not every premiership team has 22 guns. What is needed is guys who can play a specific role and make the overall team better like Boyd staying at FF, having a second genuine tall target, a decent mobile second ruckman, depth and developing in a better culture, environment and team. I dismissed the idea of Vickery originally too, but now I'm coming around to it as a free agent.

[1eyedog]

Re: Travis Cloke

I don't think that is the right way to look at it. Cloke has been a marquee player for Collingwood and is on the decline in form and on the outer with selection at his club. Redpath has been on one year contracts because he knows he's on the list to fill in as needed and hopefully improve to a point where he becomes a best 22 player.

Whats the incentive for Cloke to come to us if essentially he is just replacing Redpath and behind a couple of players in the selection process? Isn't that the same position as he already has? I don't think you pick a name player like Cloke as insurance if injuries occur

I'd also ask what is the future for both the combo of Roughead and Campbell if Cloke comes into the senior side? Can we really play Roughead and Campbell rotating up forward if Boyd and Cloke are there?

Also the asking price being speculated is a 2nd or 3rd round pick for his services. I don't think we currently have a 3rd round pick this year and a 2nd round pick seems overs to me.

I think many people of okay with the concept of bringing in a player like Cloke but to me that is a very small part of the consideration process.

I was purely discussing Cloke in a forward context because that was the line of argument in terms of whether we get him or not. I wouldn't necessarily play Cloke forward but that's another matter. The point still stands re. Redpath. When we were playing Camhead and Redpath Bevo was saying over and over that Boyd will come into the side, and that we want to go tall at some stage, so yes it's reasonable to suggest that Cloke, Boyd and Camhead can all play in the same team.

I don't like the idea of a second round pick for Cloke, Collingwood would be salivating over that we would need to look at a fringe player and the fact that we would save Collingwood 250k by taking him of their hands. To help us out I'd also suggest that JMac get in Cloke's ear about wanting out to the Dogs at all cost and for us to hold our ground on the second rounder is off the table argument.

My feeling is the Pies want out of the deal and don't particularly want the baggage of their so called star forward languishing in the twos for 500 k for all of next year.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Travis Cloke

I'm going to get a sore bum from sitting on the fence about this.
I'm not giving up a second rounder for Cloke though, but I just don't know.
Question on whether Tom Boyd is ready for the number one forward role, and Jake basically plays more a crumbling forward than a power one .Added in the mix is Crameri who is more your connect forward, and then you add in the absence of Redpath .
Quite the conundrum

[GVGjr]

Re: Travis Cloke

Stringer is not a KPP, please don't mention him as one. He has previously been spoken about as being a Forward with stints as a mid, never have heard he is a KPP.

I would prefer a Stanley type who is big and mobile and can ruck and go forward with Boyd our KPF and not rucking. So Cloke is a big no. The game has gone past him.

I certainly challenge that statement. He kicked over 50 goals last season as the primary target up forward with Dickson and Crameri as the mid sized players and a bit from Tom Boyd and Campbell.

[hujsh]

Re: Travis Cloke

I certainly challenge that statement. He kicked over 50 goals last season as the primary target up forward with Dickson and Crameri as the mid sized players and a bit from Tom Boyd and Campbell.

By that logic Brad Johnson was a KPP

One of Boyd or Redpath was in the team as the big forward with him all last year

No way we give up anything for Cloke. We're doing them a favor taking him off their hands and clearing some of their cap space,

[Remi Moses]

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Brad Johnson was our primary target up forward for quite a while, yet wouldn't consider him a power forward .
Jake kicks a lot of goals at ground level

[GVGjr]

Re: Travis Cloke

By that logic Brad Johnson was a KPP

One of Boyd or Redpath was in the team as the big forward with him all last year

That's your opinion not mine.

[MrMahatma]

Re: Travis Cloke

I'm on the fence but leaning toward yes. Reckon he still has good footy in him.

[hujsh]

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That's your opinion not mine.

It's not an opinion. I'm saying that by the criteria you used to argue Stringer played or can play as a KPP (primary target who kicked a large number of goals) Brad Johnson would be considered an even better KPP. Same with Mark Williams and Russel Robertson

Therefore I think it's flawed reasoning.

[Missing Dog]

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Same was said about similar players in 2008 & 2010. Leigh Brown delistee and drafted at pick 73 and David Hale traded for pick 53. Grand finals &/or premierships within two years. Neither superstars, but important players who had a specific role and played it well. They also allowed for other structural gains in their sides up forward and across the rucking/utility areas. Not every player needs to be thoroughbred, not every premiership team has 22 guns. What is needed is guys who can play a specific role and make the overall team better like Boyd staying at FF, having a second genuine tall target, a decent mobile second ruckman, depth and developing in a better culture, environment and team. I dismissed the idea of Vickery originally too, but now I'm coming around to it as a free agent.

Yes and they said it about Jesse White and Liam Jones and Chris Dawes and we can go through other examples where it was right. I said it about Jesse White somewhere on WOOF! I'm still dismissing the idea of Vickery. He's a spud.

But I get your point. Hale, etc were diamonds in the rough and we need to find guys like that. I just don't think Vickery is one of them.

[LostDoggy]

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I certainly challenge that statement. He kicked over 50 goals last season as the primary target up forward with Dickson and Crameri as the mid sized players and a bit from Tom Boyd and Campbell.

That's true, but the games where they played without TBoyd or Redpath in 2015 were not successful. Stringer and Crameri are very good forwards, but I think history has shown that they don't perform best as the prime spearhead. I am very much of the opinion that going into next year with Boyd as the only genuine big key forward leaves us vulnerable and represents an unbalanced list.