The Neanderthals strike again

[Ghost Dog]

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Hmmm.

I think the problem is more that an issue so obviously disproportionate as sexual or domestic violence can't be discussed without men feeling the need to interject themselves as closer to victimised than of blame.

#notallmen though.

A complex problem can be accused of being a lot of things, simple enough for others to understand it. But it doesn't change the complexity of it. Marc Lépine. His horrific act ( from where we get White Ribbon day ) cannot easily be separated from his unstable personality, coming from an abusive childhood, and there are two responses to the issue, long game and short game. Neither should be ignored.

Phil Cleary is a good speaker about this stuff, and nobody would claim he himself has suffered greatly as a result of violence against women. I would say he identifies more as being a victim than someone to blame.

[bulldogtragic]

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Man, the irony just hit me. Eddie started the whole thing by saying he wanted to see CW down the slide into the ice. As he was nominated this year, the rules are that he could have actually and literally just picked her. Obviously he didn't want to pick her, so the premise of the entire rant is actually completely empty.

[Sedat]

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I'm not going to proffer my opinion on this issue, other than to say that Eddie makes far too many gaffes for such an experienced media campaigner. Furthermore, his attempts to say sorry are as incoherent as the Fonz.

The AFL have clearly spoken out against such language and presumably there is no qualification on this stance. Therefore simply remove Collingwood's submission from the AFL Women's league next year and replace them with Geelong or Richmond - Norf and St Kilda obviously in the same boat as Collingwood. Hit Eddie and his club in the hip pocket - that way the AFL can either show how serious they are about this issue or are just paying lip service.

[Topdog]

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Really? When was the last time a male journalist was threatened of being drowned as amusement while the rest of the boys gathered around and chuckled?

If I don't need to have it be specifically about drowning then yes the idiots on triple m often threaten violence against themselves and others especially other journalists.

This is a station that has a nickname meaning dickhead for one of their employees, is that really so hard to believe?


Other than the black widow what is the difference in these 2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ueYL3rpot0

[S Coast Simon]

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I got to hear Eddies response in the morning and didn't quite get to the end. I didn't hear an apology though just an explanation that what was said was bad. Anyone else hear him say sorry I would love to know if he did. I noticed the last few times he was in trouble he didn't actually apologise. Wonder if this is to avoid litigation

[Hotdog60]

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Holden look to be revaluating their sponsorship with Collingwood. If they pull out it could be a better message than what ever the AFL dish up.

[GVGjr]

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I got to hear Eddies response in the morning and didn't quite get to the end. I didn't hear an apology though just an explanation that what was said was bad. Anyone else hear him say sorry I would love to know if he did. I noticed the last few times he was in trouble he didn't actually apologise. Wonder if this is to avoid litigation

There was certainly an apology to Caroline Wilson and she has accepted that

[SonofScray]

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I thought Eddie's apology on the CFC website was appropriate.

What is clear though is that he and his pals do not show the public and their position the appropriate amount of respect and have no consideration for real people in the world. They expect everything to bend to their will and opposing views, markets, professionals to wash away with time while they carry on propagating their boy's club system. If these guys were stacked up against trained journalists on a level playing field and had to reapply for positions in the media on merit, very few would get a gig against the likes of Wheatley and Quayle etc.

They live very privileged lives and have quite a lot of opportunities dished up on a silver spoon that they just don't deserve. Eddie might be the only exception given the "boy from Broady done good" narrative but even he has devolved into the Neanderthal boys club.

[Ghost Dog]

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Again, assaults on gay or trans people at their heart prolong a history of exclusion or marginalisation. No one is ignoring male on male one punch assaults, *!*!*!*!, they changed laws to combat it and yes all violence is awful on an equal scale but there are societal differences that historically make some offences different at a basic level. There aren't a lot of people who are targeted as victims for being white straight or male

Eddie McGuire has been a good supporter of the Dogs over the years ( Smorgon era anyway ) . People are so eager to get stuck into him but hopefully this helps turn him into an advocate ( could be a very useful person in regards to this issue ).
Despite being a buffoon, during the ice bath, each sponsor on his jacket was worth 10k. He doesn't strike me as being unreasonable, just a bit of a twat, but he has an up side. The AFL sent Dippa up North to get a handle on Aboriginal Australia after his gaffe, and he has since done some good. Why not send Eddie to a refuge or a centre for domestic violence? He could lead mainstream Australia into this issue.

In regards to ignoring minority statistics, they should send Eddie up north AND to a refuge. 20% of indigenous women experience assaults in a year, compared to 7% of non-Indigenous women.

Neanderthal behavior in Cricket a case in point. It's really gone up a notch since the days of Bradman. Maybe a day will come when being a lad becomes uncool in the media. Rex Hunt, BT thanks guys

[Murphy'sLore]

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Interesting discussion.

I think GD is right to argue that the problems of violence against women and violence in general are related. Ultimately it all comes back to a culture of masculinity (and let's face it, the perpetrators are overwhelmingly, though not exclusively, male) which depends on belittling, mocking, diminishing or physically harming others to make the perpetrator feel strong and powerful. This is the psychology and the culture which has to change, but it's a big, complicated problem with many layers.

Calling influential, highly visible figures like Eddie to account is a necessary step in the process.

[Scraggers]

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When I initially heard the "banter" I didn't think it was sexist or misogynistic. I did think they were ganging up on Wilson without the right of reply. The only person/people who truly know if the intention was to repress is McGuire et al. If he suggested Wilson for the slide because she is a female then he should not be allowed to hold office of any sort. If he suggested Wilson for the slide because she is constantly giving the Collingwood footy club a bad rap and was treating her like a journalist and not a female journalist then enough has been said. Bottom line; he should have thought before he spoke ... but this is true of a number of people in the media and public office.

[S Coast Simon]

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There was certainly an apology to Caroline Wilson and she has accepted that

Thanks mate. I did hear he issued a proper apology later on Monday night.

[Remi Moses]

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Apparently Richmond have boycotted Triple M
Just like they've boycotted the eight
Bit of light hearted stuff from Sergio Paradise on Twitter

[EasternWest]

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Apparently Richmond have boycotted Triple M
Just like they've boycotted the eight
Bit of light hearted stuff from Sergio Paradise on Twitter

Good to see them take a stance when there's nothing at stake for them.

Of course, when one of their own threatens to stab a woman with chopsticks....

Wankers.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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You can tell a coward, bully because they attack their victim when they're easy prey. Eddie could have attacked Caroline on equal terms, i.e. on logic or knowledge grounds but he chose the idea of physical dominance of the cowardly, violent and fatal type, holding a woman's head under water. This guy has charmed people and many women so he may be deluded that his attitude to women is OK. This disgrace may help him realise that his crocodilian idiocy needs addressing and is guilty. Women are eternally victimised by men's crocodilian nature. Women of course are also abusive of men and this needs to be acknowledged. People can be cowardly when they sense weakness but they can also be very supportive. Eddie should get out of football's public eye he is a disgrace. He is good on the quiz show if you overlook his smugness.