AFL Round 10, 2017 Discussion

[ratsmac]

Re: AFL Round 10, 2017 Discussion

Geelong are doing what Hawthorn did last year winning games by reputation. Soon they will fall and fall hard just like Hawthorn.

[ledge]

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How many times I saw Geelong players appealing for everything, especially deliberate.
The amount of times the two port forwards were dragged to the ground it wrapped around the neck and not given free kicks was horrible.
This #freekick should be changed to #nofreekickagainstgeelong

[comrade]

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There is also a rule that a player gets 6 seconds to dispose of the ball after taking a mark or free kick in open play. Yet I can recall at least one incident this year where a player had the ball for over 9 seconds before being called to move on. It cost is the game against GWS.

You can refer to it as correct on a technicality but players take longer than 30 seconds at times and don't get called. It was an utter disgrace of a decision by an umpire that for sucked in.

[Bornadog]

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I can't believe the comments about the shot clock.

There is only 1 person to blame and it is not the umpires or the Geelong players.

You see Dixon look at the scoreboard with the shot clock.

The same thing happens every week. As soon as a mark or free kick is paid, the shot clock starts and it doesn't stop unless the umpire signals time on for any reason.
The players get told when there are 15 seconds gone and get a whistle when 5 seconds left.

You clearly see the umpire do this and once it gets to zero he calls play on. The player doesn't get 31 or 32 seconds, he gets 30.

The one rule where it is black and white, not open to interpretation, and people still complain.

When does the clock start? When the free kick is given or when the player gets the ball in his hand?

[G-Mo77]

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There is also a rule that a player gets 6 seconds to dispose of the ball after taking a mark or free kick in open play. Yet I can recall at least one incident this year where a player had the ball for over 9 seconds before being called to move on. It cost is the game against GWS.

You can refer to it as correct on a technicality but players take longer than 30 seconds at times and don't get called. It was an utter disgrace of a decision by an umpire that for sucked in.

And there lies the problem. Technically it's probably correct, but why start now to be so black and white? It's why I'm wondering if it's going to be a flavour of the month rule.

[comrade]

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They haven't just started it.
As I said to Comrade, please show me one example where a player has got to zero and not been called to play on.

You won't find one because no one is dumb enough to let it get to zero.

It happened in a game last year, North Melbourne were playing, maybe it was Ben Brown. The commentators made reference to it at the time.

[Bornadog]

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Yep and it was announced the umpire got it wrong.
The problem in that case was that the umpire missed giving him the 15 second warning.
Umpiring department said it should have been play on.

Aker39, you haven't answered my question above.

[Sedat]

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The main issue with the Dixon call was there were a couple of Geelong players well within the 10m protected zone, but as we know that rule has gone the way of the dodo bird.

[G-Mo77]

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They haven't just started it.
As I said to Comrade, please show me one example where a player has got to zero and not been called to play on.

You won't find one because no one is dumb enough to let it get to zero.

I'll take your word for it mate. Having ssid that I won't be surprised we see it again this weekend.

[Bornadog]

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I'm not 100% sure.
I don't think it is relevant here though.
Dixon could see on the scoreboard how long he had to go. The umpire whistled him with 5 seconds to go.
This is a clear case of a player not knowing the rules.

I understand your point. Someone on Twitter said the clock started when he was lying on the ground. By the time he got up, lined up etc at least 10 seconds gone. He may not have looked at the scoreboard and thought he had more time. As Sedat says, he was also surrounded by Geelong players. ( not sure how close they were.)

[Bornadog]

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Can't tell from this video:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-05-25/gamechanger-dixons-time-runs-out

[comrade]

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So the umpire chose to enforce one rule (Dixon started his run up a millisecond over 30) over another (Geelong player in the restricted zone). One favoured the home team, one didn't. What a shocker.

[Bornadog]

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From what you do see, Dixon looks like he is about to get up. The 30 seconds would have started straight away as the ball is in his arms.
You then hear and see the umpire whistle, tells the player and signal when there is 5 seconds left.
The other thing the video shows is the Geelong player on the left is far to close.

Dixon = Dumb

[jeemak]

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I have a real issue with this particular rule being black and white but others being open to interpretation. As we've seen tonight, the black and white approach saw a massive impact on play that was a result of action that was inconsequential to the broader way in which the game is played. Does it really matter that Dixon took too long to get back to his goal kicking position? Why not start the clock after time on once he's running in or taken a kick?

If we hold a player to such strict guidelines by suggesting he should be watching the shot clock, is it on the umpires to measure out the ten metres his opponents can start his run up from?

If a player is completely smashed in a marking contest through something not called but unfair and it impacts his ability to take a kick in the required time, should taking the ball for a kick mean he's subject to the thirty second rule? Is it discretionary post that?

I take your point that it's not the umpire's fault Aker, but none of it makes sense in a black and white world. My suggestion is we give the umpires a break, estimate these things, otherwise we'll have to sweat on everything.

[Bornadog]

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10 metre rule