Proactive Poaching

[Bornadog]

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From RSN this morning:

"I hadn't heard anything about it. I hadn't even thought about ringing my manager about it. It's rumour and innuendo. I'm happy at Hawthorn."

Isaac Smith on the rumour linking him with the Dogs

[Mofra]

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Was discussed quite a bit on SEN last night.
They did note that Smith started his AFL career late (22) so likely has a few years left. I don't mind it if it's a cheap trade a la Mitchell or Lewis (Hodge was a DFA post-retirements wasn't he?)

We are already young enough and knowing our trade history we're likely to miss out on a few targets. Interesting we've gone public so early and that nether of our targets are talls.

[Bulldog4life]

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If Smith was pick 50-70 like Lewis & Mitchell, and it’s really just salary. Then I’m in.

Martin seems flashy, but doesn’t score a lot (4.10 this year, 10 games). I’d like some more goal scoring power.

Yes my sentiments exactly re: Smith. Martin's best footy is still in front of him yet I'm 50/50 on him. Has got the x factor though.

[G-Mo77]

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From RSN this morning:

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn Isaac. It seems like silly season has started early.

We'll be linked to everyone now that we have this "war chest" from losing Boyd and his contract, which was also very heavily front loaded. Football media are an absolute joke.

[Bornadog]

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Was discussed quite a bit on SEN last night.
They did note that Smith started his AFL career late (22) so likely has a few years left. I don't mind it if it's a cheap trade a la Mitchell or Lewis (Hodge was a DFA post-retirements wasn't he?)

We are already young enough and knowing our trade history we're likely to miss out on a few targets. Interesting we've gone public so early and that nether of our targets are talls.

Did we?

[Mofra]

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Did we?

Yes, as per the SEN discussion last night.

The point was made that every club has a 'hit list' but we're the first to be open about it his year.

[Bornadog]

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Yes, as per the SEN discussion last night.

The point was made that every club has a 'hit list' but we're the first to be open about it his year.

So we came out to the press and said we are targeting Smith and Martin? Or, did Maclure sniff around and someone leaked it, or Maclure made it up

I would say my second scenario.

[Mofra]

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So we came out to the press and said we are targeting Smith and Martin? Or, did Maclure sniff around and someone leaked it, or Maclure made it up

I would say my second scenario.

Ok you can believe that.
From the sound of the discussion the 'Bulldogs being open about their targets' sounded a little different from just a leak.

Back on track, given it sounds like we're considering a second wing player (to partner Hunter) if we don't get Smith there are three names we should ask the question about:

- Ed Langdon, although he's been linked to most Vic clubs this trade period
- Karl Amon who tried to come back to Vic last year. Sleight but provides outside run
- Rory Atkins, who we've been linked with before and may be gettable.

[G-Mo77]

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So we came out to the press and said we are targeting Smith and Martin? Or, did Maclure sniff around and someone leaked it, or Maclure made it up

I would say my second scenario.

I don't think any of them make stories up, their sources however? Social media is littered with made up stories and innuendo. It' sad that you can call yourself a journalist and rely on social media to supply the content you write about.

[SlimPickens]

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Wonder if we'd inquire about Jake Carlisle? Contract clause means he may have to rush back this year, might be worth planting the seed

[Sedat]

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Back on track, given it sounds like we're considering a second wing player (to partner Hunter) if we don't get Smith there are three names we should ask the question about:

- Ed Langdon, although he's been linked to most Vic clubs this trade period
- Karl Amon who tried to come back to Vic last year. Sleight but provides outside run
- Rory Atkins, who we've been linked with before and may be gettable.

I'd rather get a 31yo Isaac Smith than any of the younger ball butchers listed above. He's a proven elite quality who could easily have 4 (maybe even 5) years left.

If the trade price is not onerous (and it shouldn't be), happy to bring in more proven talent to the club.

[bulldogtragic]

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I'd rather get a 31yo Isaac Smith than any of the younger ball butchers listed above. He's a proven elite quality who could easily have 4 (maybe even 5) years left.

If the trade price is not onerous (and it shouldn't be), happy to bring in more proven talent to the club.

Jordan Mitchell, 57, 68 - for - 48, 66 (Jordan Mitchell essentially a 10 pick downgrade)

We have the Hawks 3rd (around pick 47), Hawks have our fourth (around pick 60). If we handed each other our original picks back and swap 5th rounders that's nearly identical to the Lewis trade. --

Smith, 60, 84 - for - 47, 78 (traded at age 30 maybe, leadership group) (slightly better trade)
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Lewis, 57, 68 - for - 48, 66 (traded at age 30, leadership group)

[Remi Moses]

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If he does come in then it has to be a salary dump and we give Hawthorn pick 70 odd
Considering he started later I’ve changed opinion . Decent kick as well

[Axe Man]

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If he does come in then it has to be a salary dump and we give Hawthorn pick 70 odd
Considering he started later I’ve changed opinion . Decent kick as well

Good point re the salary dump. Hawks would probably only go for it if they were picking up yet another big name, eg Coniglio.

[1eyedog]

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Good point re the salary dump. Hawks would probably only go for it if they were picking up yet another big name, eg Coniglio.

See that's just the problem with this club. We once again get another old man with two years left in his legs and it will be made to be a great deal for the dogs (pick whatever) yet once again Hawthorn pick up a genuine superstar nearing his prime while we release them of further financial burdens. It sucks. Smith is a good player but he won't play in a our premiership. He relies on pace and that's the first thing that will go as he nears the edge over the next 2 years.

Wish we could offload and replace our tyres like the Hawks seem to do. It's always fringe types or old men for us.