Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

[GVGjr]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Yes he is in his right to ask for a trade but you're laying this out like he is the only one who has been inconvenienced by the struggles North have endured. Everything you have detailed is the same for all of the playing group

The Buckley JHF comparison might be factually valid but just flat out wrong in my opinion as there is a clear contrast in they way they went about performing the start of their professional careers.
Buckley made his intentions 100% clear to Brisbane who backed themselves to change his mind. They didn't. Buckley was 100% professional in his 12 months at Brisbane and didn't refuse ice baths and he also didn't make an unauthorised trip back home.
JHF wanted to go number 1, it was important to him but he hasn't set a very high standard given his petulant behaviour.
He needs to serve apprenticeship and learn as much as he can.

North should hold him to his contract unless the get a fair return but probably won't and JHF will get what he wants.

[Mofra]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Would've been an even bigger win if they took Adelaide's offer last year. Though picks 4+5 do sound better than what they would have become after the F/S bids.

I think so, in hindsight.
In a regular year, without knowing what they know now, perhaps perhaps not - but it wasn't a regular year. Daicos was the consensus no1 pick and Darcy went at no 2 (pick 19 was part of the deal too which would have been handy) and there muted concerns over JHF's long term future in Melbourne.

Let's face it. If you're at the bottom of the table, hope is the only thing to sell your supporters. Your CEO has walked, your entire recruiting team, there's a massive question mark over your 'savior' coach and now the kid you pinned your hopes on is walking, only the third no 1 pick in history to do so. In hindsight they would have been far better off.

They're re-starting a rebuild and with all the focus on JHF, right now they're better to just rip the band-aid off now, grab Cadman and whatever else they can with their draft picks, and try and generate some excitement about the place.

[azabob]

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We are miles ahead of North on almost any KPI you could name.

Maybe in distance we aren't that far apart but in terms of performance, outcome, culture, administration, talent and future we are way out in front.

What about in 2003 and 2014 which were the years GG was comparing.

[mjp]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Yes he is in his right to ask for a trade but you're laying this out like he is the only one who has been inconvenienced by the struggles North have endured. Everything you have detailed is the same for all of the playing group

The Buckley JHF comparison might be factually valid but just flat out wrong in my opinion as there is a clear contrast in they way they went about performing the start of their professional careers.
Buckley made his intentions 100% clear to Brisbane who backed themselves to change his mind. They didn't. Buckley was 100% professional in his 12 months at Brisbane and didn't refuse ice baths and he also didn't make an unauthorised trip back home.
JHF wanted to go number 1, it was important to him but he hasn't set a very high standard given his petulant behaviour.
He needs to serve apprenticeship and learn as much as he can.

North should hold him to his contract unless the get a fair return but probably won't and JHF will get what he wants.

Ice baths? Brisbane didn't even have ice baths! Are we really comparing what was required in the early 90's with 2022?

Was the trip 'unauthorised' - or did he just go without telling anyone. Did he know he was supposed too? Did he miss a meeting or was he late for work? Were Victorian based players from the country permitted to drive home and see their families without explanation?

North have managed this poorly. And now they are embroiled in a new round of 'messiness'. Get out of there is what I say.

[MrMahatma]

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North flat out suck. And what’s the outlook? Really? It’s more sucking. Bad! And maybe no coach? Or another one… so, his 4th (although Clarko never started I guess) in a year? North could win the next 5 spoons and it’d not be a surprise.

I’d be outta there ASAP. Life’s too short. Make the move early. He’ll be known as a Port player. Good luck to him. (I reckon Port might suck pretty soon also but not North level).

[hujsh]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Ice baths? Brisbane didn't even have ice baths! Are we really comparing what was required in the early 90's with 2022?

Was the trip 'unauthorised' - or did he just go without telling anyone. Did he know he was supposed too? Did he miss a meeting or was he late for work? Were Victorian based players from the country permitted to drive home and see their families without explanation?

North have managed this poorly. And now they are embroiled in a new round of 'messiness'. Get out of there is what I say.

Yeah that part seemed funny. Are AFL players meant to get approval to leave the state if it doesn't impact training or other commitments? Does it impact their recovery in some way? Weirdly controlling if so

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

This kind of stuff is a very pro Melbourne take.

North this season were one of the worst performed sides in AFL history.

Maybe !

My point was Norf are a club with a long proud catholic history and those teams were new.

Not sure their season ranks in the top 50 worst but it was bad I’ll give you that.

Some players don’t want to stick it out and expect instant success / popularity / instagram followers.

I think his attitude sucks and really feel for North. Right to ask for a trade is just insane when there’s guys like LDU there.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

What about in 2003 and 2014 which were the years GG was comparing.

Cooney is a great comparison.

We were far worse off than North who have no debt afaik.

We didn’t even have a sponsor we had to go cap in hand to Eddie and parade our jumper around like on the nose real estate to try and attract sponsors.

5 years later he wins a Brownlow. Dare say the easy option was to go home.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Actually I’ve had a longer think about this.

Ive got a proposal.

Instead of the draft (pfft why reward mediocrity) we should just have a system where the most talented players are spared the indignity of ending up at a bottom club, and remove them from selection altogether.

The top 10 talent get to choose their own club and the draft starts at 11.

Everyone wins!

[jeemak]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

It's actually OK to agree that he's probably been a bit of a shit, and that North weren't/ aren't managed well.

For all concerned it's best he gets out of there.

[hujsh]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

I'd like to acknowledge mjp having the decency to post an actual unpopular (or at least uncommon/not widely shared) opinion. Too often unpopular opinion threads are something like "Jam is actually great on toast" so good on him for having the courage to back that trend/

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

It's actually OK to agree that he's probably been a bit of a shit, and that North weren't/ aren't managed well.

For all concerned it's best he gets out of there.

https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/1031804/north-melbourne-announces-debt-free-status

Pick a side Jee!

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

I'd like to acknowledge mjp having the decency to post an actual unpopular (or at least uncommon/not widely shared) opinion. Too often unpopular opinion threads are something like "Jam is actually great on toast" so good on him for having the courage to back that trend/

What flavour?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

I'd like to acknowledge mjp having the decency to post an actual unpopular (or at least uncommon/not widely shared) opinion. Too often unpopular opinion threads are something like "Jam is actually great on toast" so good on him for having the courage to back that trend/

Nothing like some good disruption, agree.

[jeemak]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/1031804...bt-free-status

Pick a side Jee!

From a footy department perspective, was what I meant.