Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

[Topdog]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Cooney is a great comparison.

We were far worse off than North who have no debt afaik.

We didn’t even have a sponsor we had to go cap in hand to Eddie and parade our jumper around like on the nose real estate to try and attract sponsors.

5 years later he wins a Brownlow. Dare say the easy option was to go home.

Our debt was worse, in every other department we were no where near the rabble that North are right now.

Since 1945 this is a top 10 worst season on the field not to mention all the dramas off it.

If it were my son I'd be telling him to leave that terrible work environment when i know he has other options

[jeemak]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/1031804...bt-free-status

Pick a side Jee!

What flavour?

Picking a side/ flavour in this instance is like deciding between poo flavoured chocolate or chocolate flavoured poo.

[Grantysghost]

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Our debt was worse, in every other department we were no where near the rabble that North are right now.

Since 1945 this is a top 10 worst season on the field not to mention all the dramas off it.

If it were my son I'd be telling him to leave that terrible work environment when i know he has other options

Fair enough, don’t agree we didn’t even have a sponsor but respect your opinion.

It’s not North it’s the player imo, they don’t turn over more players than any other team.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Picking a side/ flavour in this instance is like deciding between poo flavoured chocolate or chocolate flavoured poo.

Clearly the second.

[jeemak]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Clearly the second.

Anyone who answers that quickly needs to take some time to assess themselves.

[soupman]

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I'd like to acknowledge mjp having the decency to post an actual unpopular (or at least uncommon/not widely shared) opinion. Too often unpopular opinion threads are something like "Jam is actually great on toast" so good on him for having the courage to back that trend/

Jams never been the issue. Toast however is vastly overrated, it's just dry bread.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Anyone who answers that quickly needs to take some time to assess themselves.

I watched Dahmer. I’m in a strange place right now.

[EasternWest]

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Jams never been the issue. Toast however is vastly overrated, it's just dry bread.

Raw Toast likes this.

[jazzadogs]

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Clearly the second.

You've said some cooked things on here. But 'clearly'????

[bulldogtragic]

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There’s also an opportunity here.

Buckley wanted out and had a great career, no flags. The draft pick given, used on Chris Scott, got them 200+ games, played in four grand finals and won two flags.

Tom Boyd was a retaliatory strike for Griffen who walked out. Griffen didn’t win a flag, Tom Boyd did.

It presents an opportunity to North. Good players, pick 1 players, club captains and reigning best and fairest players leave. Often with an unsavoury taste. But these times are opportunities, it’s what you do with them. I’m not convinced North will make good with it, but two first rounders and a good player for someone not invested is a fair return.

The debate is interesting, with arguments on both sides. But me bring me, I look at the trade opportunity for North. If they can get a good player, nail some first rounders, bring in experienced players (ie Hunter) and even solid leaders who might be passed prime (ie Wallis) to rebuild standards and culture, then this could be the change in course they need. Just not the one they wanted.

Call it Shocktober. Lose your prized player, lose talent like Thomas (for Hunter - it’s a thing!), but bring in new blood and a new coach with a heap of good picks build the culture up and go for broke. We did it. Collingwood did it last/this year, not to same height. The just need to see the opportunity and seize it. Even by their standards, Carey/Stevens was a million times worse and they got back to finals footy through the 2000’s. It’s just this ‘business’.

[Grantysghost]

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You've said some cooked things on here. But 'clearly'????

Haha, too good.

I think it’s a no brainer, if you’re entertaining the former then may god have mercy upon your souls!

[jazzadogs]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

It sounds like the input of his stepfather and ex-Port player Fabian Francis can't be underestimated with JHF.

I think he has made the right decision for him in moving home, to a better organisation, who are more likely to have on-field success, with pros like Boak and Wines to learn off for a couple of years. Norf's captain is Ziebell for christ's sake, who's setting the standard over there?

Also I can't see the abbreviation JHF without thinking 'Jesus H F***' - can't explain it.

[GVGjr]

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Ice baths? Brisbane didn't even have ice baths! Are we really comparing what was required in the early 90's with 2022?

Was the trip 'unauthorised' - or did he just go without telling anyone. Did he know he was supposed too? Did he miss a meeting or was he late for work? Were Victorian based players from the country permitted to drive home and see their families without explanation?

North have managed this poorly. And now they are embroiled in a new round of 'messiness'. Get out of there is what I say.

Your decision if you want to try and pick apart the examples (you linked the Buckley example to Horne Francis) but it doesn't change that Buckley was regarded as someone who came to work in a club that was struggling at the time and was highly professional whereas Horne-Francis has come up short in his visit to North. It's not like Brisbane was on the cutting edge when Buckley arrived but he made the most of it.

By all means cut the player some slack when the going gets a bit tough but giving them easy outs is why we have so many talented but unproven players trying to dictate where they want to play.

[boydogs]

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There's two arguments being put forward here

One is that it is in JHF's best interests to ask for a trade

The other is that JHF hasn't earned the right to ask for a trade

They are both right

[Scraggers]

Re: Unpopular opinion: Jason Horne-Francis is RIGHT to ask for a trade.

Horne-Francis is right to ask for a trade.

North are a rabble - the coach he (seemingly) couldn't get along with was sacked.
The recruiters who selected him are all gone...left the club in either disgrace or as losers of a power struggle with the coach (you know, the one who was sacked!)/
They couldn't win a game. This was pretty epic stuff and they set a record for consecutive 'big' defeats...it wasn't your average 'crappy season'...it was an epic-ly crappy season.
The CEO was sacked.
They are now in the middle of the racism stuff (his Step-Father is First Nations) and no doubt he feels strongly about the issue...and there are stories about North players from 2022 being involved at Hawthorn during the period in question who he undoubtedly has a relationship with...

Careers get ruined in 1-2 years. Ask some of the high draft picks who have watched their careers turn to smoke up at Gold Coast if they wished they had acted 'sooner' to get out...or just let their value fritter away to nothing and been unable to find a new home. Ask the players who got stuck at Melbourne during the tanking era the same question...it is not good.

If I was giving him advice, I would be telling him to get out if he can...unfortunately he is a number 1 pick and this is causing a storm, but did he really have another choice?

Nathan Buckley did essentially the same thing - he is a legend of Collingwood and no-one even remembers his year at the Bears. Ditto Tom Boyd for us.

Our debt was worse, in every other department we were no where near the rabble that North are right now.

Since 1945 this is a top 10 worst season on the field not to mention all the dramas off it.

If it were my son I'd be telling him to leave that terrible work environment when i know he has other options

This is a huge issue and one that cannot be dismissed lightly. There will be a number of First Nation players extremely resistant to playing under Clarkson/Fagan or at North/Brisbane/Hawthorn. I understand that he’s 18 and not been as professional as expected, but in his family situation I totally get his step-dad telling him to walk away now