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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
Yep Ledge. I think far too much energy going into one comment.
Yep Ledge. I think far too much energy going into one comment.
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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
...it's a great post jee.
I think 'everyone' is right in this situation. Suggesting you know what an 18yo might or might not do when they might have moved interstate and be living independently for the first time, when it might be there first time exposed to ANY kind of training standards (let alone 'elite' (lol) standards)...well...you don't.
Likewise, us suggesting players don't 'KNOW' pretty quickly after seeing someone join the group whether they have what it takes or not...well, in many cases they do.
I know I was involved in coaching a tall American bloke who arrived and joined the AIS program...if you observed him a month in, well...no chance. But he's played games, played in finals, done OK. It's not one rule fits all but that there is pretty much ZERO input from players now with regards list management and team selection...should they have a voice?What should I tell her? She's going to ask.Comment
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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
I'd recommend listening to the proper context. About 9:30 onwards (the controversial part at 9:50 onwards). In proper context he talks about things like, 'ability to be coached' and not just whether they have elite traits. So while some might look like they can't compete against men or handle the contested side of the game (Declan Hamilton) or something wrong with their mentality/attitude (Goatz probably), it's not as elitist at it may seem in isolation.
I don't know how accurate his 90% figure is but I bet he's probably reflecting what a lot of us feel about certain players on the list when we wonder how they keep getting retained when it just looks like they don't have IT.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Comment
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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
Is Boyd right? Probably.
You can generally see a few AFL level traits come to the fore very early and in glimpses of what players will be able to do.
Some things can be improved with coaching but that?s going to be incremental and you are who you are to an extent.
The other thing that becomes clear after a month is application and preparation. Are the draftees at the level of professionalism required and good to taking on feedback, pushing themselves to get fitter and better, learning the roles, engaging with the culture and team mates etc.
Yeah. The senior players probably have a good idea pretty quickly.
I don?t expect there are too many that get written off after a month though?Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?Comment
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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
Great podcast btw. I listen to all the eps. Tom can be quite self depreciating. I didn't read too much into the comment. Maybe mostly you can when you're in that environment day in day out.Comment
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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
Generally Tom is correct but there will always be outliers like Moz, Picko and M Boyd.Comment
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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
I could maybe see it with Picken. Always had that speed and was recruited as a tagger. You wouldn't pick him to the be player of the finals series but a solid 100 game tagger sure. Morris did impact in his first year and was an amazing all around athlete in hindsight. You'd have to get over his terrible disposal first. Boyd though? Good luck with that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Comment
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FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.Comment
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Re: Tom Boyd actually said...
Well Boyd's perspective would be 100% based on when they arrive at training. No matter how old they are when what the recruiters didn't see in their junior years, they've seen something now and Boyd's theory is the ones that won't make it, once they're in that AFL environment, you can spot it within a month 80-90% of the time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Comment
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FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.Comment
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