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  • Sedat
    Hall of Fame
    • Sep 2007
    • 11136

    #76
    Re: Rule changes 2024

    The Daicos miss was a terrible screw-up but overall I liked the rule change. Players are already starting to tap it on and not take possession - they are smart and will adapt, as was every player in the first 100 years of the competition.

    It will shit me if they relax the rule, and I suspect they will in about a month's time.
    "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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    • bulldogsthru&thru
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • May 2011
      • 7708

      #77
      Re: Rule changes 2024

      Originally posted by Sedat
      The Daicos miss was a terrible screw-up but overall I liked the rule change. Players are already starting to tap it on and not take possession - they are smart and will adapt, as was every player in the first 100 years of the competition.

      It will shit me if they relax the rule, and I suspect they will in about a month's time.
      They will. This exact thing happened in 2021 I believe (or 2020).

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      • azabob
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2008
        • 15207

        #78
        Re: Rule changes 2024

        The HTB rule was a shit show in the first half.

        Second half I thought it was ok.
        More of an In Bruges guy?

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        • jazzadogs
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Oct 2008
          • 5575

          #79
          Re: Rule changes 2024

          I'm obviously on my own, but if someone picks up the ball and is tackled before they've taken a step, and the tackler helps hold the ball in - that should be a ball up.

          I'm not talking about the Naicos miss - agree that had nothing to do with the new interpretation.

          I don't think it's entertaining watching guys paddle the ball around, too scared to take possession because they'll get pinged. I like seeing people putting their body over the ball and driving through tackles.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 66136

            #80
            Re: Rule changes 2024

            Originally posted by jazzadogs
            I'm obviously on my own, but if someone picks up the ball and is tackled before they've taken a step, and the tackler helps hold the ball in - that should be a ball up.

            I'm not talking about the Naicos miss - agree that had nothing to do with the new interpretation.

            I don't think it's entertaining watching guys paddle the ball around, too scared to take possession because they'll get pinged. I like seeing people putting their body over the ball and driving through tackles.
            I tend to agree - I said last night at the game, players are getting scared to pick up the ball.
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            • Bulldog Joe
              Premiership Moderator
              • Jul 2009
              • 5508

              #81
              Re: Rule changes 2024

              Well I liked the interpretation despite a few errors.

              The game is much better when you eliminate the opportunity for players to just hold the ball for a stoppage.

              I certainly hope they maintain the interpretation as evidenced in round 12.

              It does need to be applied consistently to every player(that is always an issue)
              Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 66136

                #82
                Re: Rule changes 2024

                Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                Well I liked the interpretation despite a few errors.

                The game is much better when you eliminate the opportunity for players to just hold the ball for a stoppage.

                I certainly hope they maintain the interpretation as evidenced in round 12.

                It does need to be applied consistently to every player(that is always an issue)
                It's a fine line between prior opportunity and HTB
                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • EasternWest
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 9993

                  #83
                  Re: Rule changes 2024

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  It's a fine line between prior opportunity and HTB
                  They've done it once, they'll do it again
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                  • Bulldog Joe
                    Premiership Moderator
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5508

                    #84
                    Re: Rule changes 2024

                    Originally posted by bornadog
                    It's a fine line between prior opportunity and HTB
                    It is a fine line between success and failure as well.

                    Umpires are there to make the decision and they will get some wrong, but anyone who takes a step or has the ball free need to dispose or it is HTB.

                    The concession I would make is on incorrect disposal where they attempt to kick/handball where prior opportunity was lacking.
                    Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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                    • Sedat
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 11136

                      #85
                      Re: Rule changes 2024

                      Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                      Well I liked the interpretation despite a few errors.

                      The game is much better when you eliminate the opportunity for players to just hold the ball for a stoppage.

                      I certainly hope they maintain the interpretation as evidenced in round 12.

                      It does need to be applied consistently to every player(that is always an issue)
                      The Paul Roos effect. Nobody has done more damage to the aesthetic of the modern game than him.
                      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                      • SquirrelGrip
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 1504

                        #86
                        Re: Rule changes 2024

                        Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                        It is a fine line between success and failure as well.

                        Umpires are there to make the decision and they will get some wrong, but anyone who takes a step or has the ball free need to dispose or it is HTB.

                        The concession I would make is on incorrect disposal where they attempt to kick/handball where prior opportunity was lacking.
                        I've never really been on top of incorrect disposal and why that's not a thing. I was listening to umpire boss Steve McBurney on the radio over the weekend and he was saying an attempt is good enough, you don't actually have to make contact with the ball to dispose of it.

                        Why on earth is that acceptable?
                        "I'll give him a hug before the first bounce and then I'll run into my pack and give them orders to rip him apart."

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66136

                          #87
                          Re: Rule changes 2024

                          Originally posted by SquirrelGrip
                          I've never really been on top of incorrect disposal and why that's not a thing. I was listening to umpire boss Steve McBurney on the radio over the weekend and he was saying an attempt is good enough, you don't actually have to make contact with the ball to dispose of it.

                          Why on earth is that acceptable?
                          that has slowly crept into the umpiring. I am pretty sure incorrect disposal is still a rule
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                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • josie
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 4402

                            #88
                            Re: Rule changes 2024

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            that has slowly crept into the umpiring. I am pretty sure incorrect disposal is still a rule
                            It’s my big umpiring bug bear. Every match there are multiple incorrect disposals. I assumed rule had been removed. Don’t understand why it’s not used more as it would ease congestion which is what their after.
                            Josie :)

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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 21584

                              #89
                              Re: Rule changes 2024

                              Originally posted by Sedat
                              The Paul Roos effect. Nobody has done more damage to the aesthetic of the modern game than him.
                              Paul Roos would counter that by saying Paul Roos.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                              • Sedat
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 11136

                                #90
                                Re: Rule changes 2024

                                Sample size is now big enough - Laura Kane appointment is a massive failure as is Andrew Dillon. I've been around plenty of corporates the last 25+ years so I have a sharp ear for meaningless word salads - whenever I hear someone from executive level use utter gibberish like "let's unpack this further", they are mediocre in talent and have repeatedly failed up throughout the inner bubble of their corporate career.

                                What has happened with the rules/interpretation is actually scandalous, or my suspicion is that the AFEL don't actually care and that they judge success on completely different metrics to what is truly important. It is obvious that the talkback/media column inches are of a higher priority to the AFEL than the actual integrity of the rules of the game itself. It's all about the clicks, the value of media impressions, and other metrics that ensure maximum TV rights and bonuses for the cabal of senior executives. To hell with the players, the clubs and the lower levels of the game - actually to hell with the game itself.
                                "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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