Fevola faces axe from Lions

[Topdog]

Re: Fevola faces axe from Lions

I'll try one more time.

If the AFL are to be held responsible for Fevola's behaviour then my argument is that they should also be lauded for making Chris Grant a Model AFL Citizen as well.

My under lying argument here is that Chris Grant has an intrinsic set of morals and values (perhaps instilled in him by his parents) that enable him to function and work within the AFL behavioural guidelines easily.

Conversely IMO Brendan Fevola does not and that his own existing personal values and ethics allow him to continually cross the line.

I agree with oyu however that without the AFL we woudl not know who Chris Grant is, unless of course you were a member of the Daylesford Doggies

Here we go again with more pointless and completely irrelevant crap. Fev was always given a slap on the hand whilst others (Angwin comes to mind) were given the whip. If they had treated everyone equally we may not be in this situation.

Fev must take the majority of the blame but Carlton and the AFL are not victims here.

Edit: Excellent example Sockeye.

[LostDoggy]

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Here we go again with more pointless and completely irrelevant crap. Fev was always given a slap on the hand whilst others (Angwin comes to mind) were given the whip. If they had treated everyone equally we may not be in this situation.

Fev must take the majority of the blame but Carlton and the AFL are not victims here.

Edit: Excellent example Sockeye.

I believe that I have articulated on several occasion the relevance and point of my argument about Chris Grant and I accept that you don't agree, however request that also respect my point of view.

Laurence Angwin was sacked immediately from the club for Turing up to his place of employment under the influence of an illicit drug which I can only assume allows for an immediate summary dismissal under the terms of his contract, unlike Brendan Fevola who effectively has committed a string of misdemeanors under the influence of a legal and socially acceptable drug.

[LostDoggy]

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You want something real? Then use Akers situation at the club. Do you think the club did the right thing? We might have suffered short term but its for the better of the club and therefore we suffer less long term.

Yes I believe the club did the right thing but I don't believe we suffered on the field, only off(luckily).

Case in point however, should the club have sacked him after the handstand incident?. If we had of it would have prevented the other issues from occurring in the future.

Even if his contract allowed for termination for breaking an unwritten club rule, I don't think they would have. Once again, at that point the club had more to loose by letting him go than did from addressing the issue and applying the leading teams principles.

[LostDoggy]

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Handstand incident? Hardly a sacking offense. We sacked him at the right time. We knew what Aker was like so it's our fault for recruiting him then crying foul when he stuffed up.
We played a debutant in the finals,you don't think Aker could have done as good or better?

[LostDoggy]

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Angwin was sacked cos he wasn't good and at his 2nd club. His co accused got let off somewhat cos he showed more promise. Fev was a star had he got caught it would have been a slap.

[LostDoggy]

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Handstand incident? Hardly a sacking offense. We sacked him at the right time.

Agreed

We played a debutant in the finals,you don't think Aker could have done as good or better?

To respond would be to Hypothesis, so I'll say maybe

[LostDoggy]

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Fev was a star had he got caught it would have been a slap.

There you go again with hypotheticals that aren't real or relevent.

You could in fact be right, but neither of us will ever know

[Ghost Dog]

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Well, how much is AFL to blame
How much is he to blame?
How much is Carlton to blame?
What about Brisbane?

For me, Fevola 100% responsible at this point. His time at Carlton was ages ago and he should have learned by now.

However, he may look back in the future and find it has been a valuable experience for him.
This latest stint may even save him some more serious issue in the future.
Take a break mate. Get your life together. Footy is not all their is to life.

Shaw and Didak are interesting examples SSalmon.

[Twodogs]

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Laurence Angwin was sacked immediately from the club for Turing up to his place of employment under the influence of an illicit drug which I can only assume allows for an immediate summary dismissal under the terms of his contract, unlike Brendan Fevola who effectively has committed a string of misdemeanors under the influence of a legal and socially acceptable drug.

Then how come Karl Norman who turned up to the same training session under the effect of the same drug got a different punishment?

And how is alchohol a socially acceptable drug when it becomes a problem like it did for Fev? Just because alchohol is partially legal doesnt mean it's any less damaging to those who have a problem with it. If it is OK because it's acceptable then organisations lke AA wouldnt have anything to do.

The whole legal/illegal drug thing doesnt wash with me. Alchohol can be just as devestating as heroin to a problem user.

[LostDoggy]

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And how is alchohol a socially acceptable drug when it becomes a problem like it did for Fev? Just because alchohol is partially legal doesnt mean it's any less damaging to those who have a problem with it. If it is OK because it's acceptable then organisations lke AA wouldnt have anything to do.

The whole legal/illegal drug thing doesnt wash with me. Alchohol can be just as devestating as heroin to a problem user.

Social acceptability and problem users are two different things and this is now so far off topic I will leave it at that, except to say that the last time I had a drink it was in the company of four generation of my family and I was not at all castigated for my actions.

I would however like to refute your claim that Alcohol is partially legal, however I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you may have been referring to the sale of alcohol to minors.

[Topdog]

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No it is still partially legal. There are kinds of alcohol that cannot be bought or sold in Aus.

To put it in an easier fashion, Wayne Britton wanted to sack Fev. Carlton sacked Britton.

[Ghost Dog]

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No it is still partially legal. There are kinds of alcohol that cannot be bought or sold in Aus.

To put it in an easier fashion, Wayne Britton wanted to sack Fev. Carlton sacked Britton.

Did he? I guess he was just too popular at the time, when that's all Carlton fans had to turn up for.

[LostDoggy]

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No it is still partially legal. There are kinds of alcohol that cannot be bought or sold in Aus.

Your right and its also partially legal to drive a car, marry your wife, Walk across the road, and excercise your freedom of speach at the airport check in counter in Australia,

Now I have finished clutching the straws, so you can have them back

[Topdog]

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Not sure why I am bothering if you cannot differentiate between a drug and walking across the road. I personally like some of the alcohol you cannot obtain in Australia and had a great time drinking it previously.

[Topdog]

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Did he? I guess he was just too popular at the time, when that's all Carlton fans had to turn up for.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/i-tried-to-get-rid-of-fev-former-carlton-coach-wayne-brittain-reveals/story-e6frf9jf-1225916818727