The squeaky wheel gets the oil

[Ghost Dog]

Re: The squeaky wheel gets the oil

Our leaders went the denial option in the media all last year and did not even contemplate the prospect of Ward having signed with GWS until about Round 23. Only then when the bleeding obvious was apparent did they come out with some feeble 'demand' for band 1 compensation for Ward in the media. It was a hollow threat that the AFL rightly took no notice of. End result - we were passive and feeble in our media dealings on the issue (especially compared to Melbourne), and we did not make enough noise about the compensation issue. GWS actually felt a little guilty and threw in Reid as a sweetener - I can't think of any reason other than guilt to explain why they would agree to giving up a 3rd round pick for a player about to be delisted.

Bulldogs chief executive Simon Garlick said the key criteria - age and remuneration - pointed to "top echelon" compensation.

"We think a minimum of two first-rounders is appropriate from our perspective," he said.

"We used a first-rounder on him and then put four years of solid development into him.

"He's a 21-year-old who's had a breakout year. He is a 10-year, 200-game player minimum."
source : http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archives...-1226129573267


I'm not sure what else everyone wanted the club to do. I'm not happy about it, but I feel the club did 'sqeak' as much as they could. They went public, said they were not happy. The media picked it up. What else could / should have been done? They were NEVER going to give us two first round picks once their offer was made public. The AFL doesn't back track and you can't blame the club without knowing the full story. Nobody really has any idea how much backroom stuff went on or how hard they tried to get the best deal. I'm sure they tried their best. If anything, I guess they were a bit in denial for most of the season about his intentions. Finally, I wasn't happy that Ward was played against Freo. Royally shafted.

[Bulldog4life]

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Bulldogs chief executive Simon Garlick said the key criteria - age and remuneration - pointed to "top echelon" compensation.

"We think a minimum of two first-rounders is appropriate from our perspective," he said.

"We used a first-rounder on him and then put four years of solid development into him.

"He's a 21-year-old who's had a breakout year. He is a 10-year, 200-game player minimum."
source : http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archives...-1226129573267


I'm not sure what else everyone wanted the club to do. I'm not happy about it, but I feel the club did 'sqeak' as much as they could. They went public, said they were not happy. The media picked it up. What else could / should have been done? They were NEVER going to give us two first round picks once their offer was made public. The AFL doesn't back track.

I agree with you Ghost Dog. In my opinion it is a waste of time worrying about it too.

[LostDoggy]

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I'm not sure what else everyone wanted the club to do. I'm not happy about it, but I feel the club did 'sqeak' as much as they done

Maybe they should complained more than once and not 2 seconds before the compensation announcement was made.
It was pretty obvious to everyone he was going well before round 24. The club sat on their hands til after Ward made his departure public.

[Ghost Dog]

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Maybe they should complained more than once and not 2 seconds before the compensation announcement was made.
It was pretty obvious to everyone he was going well before round 24. The club sat on their hands til after Ward made his departure public.

Ok - so maybe they should have put more pressure on Ward? I believe Port did this with one of their players - demanding a yes or no answer half way through the season. Perhaps they acted in good faith, with consideration of his local origins, all the work they had put into him and felt confident he had a good chance of staying; not wanting to put pressure on him. Well, blew up in our faces didn't it.

[LostDoggy]

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Ok - so maybe they should have put more pressure on Ward? I believe Port did this with one of their players - demanding a yes or no answer half way through the season. Perhaps they acted in good faith, with consideration of his local origins, all the work they had put into him and felt confident he had a good chance of staying; not wanting to put pressure on him. Well, blew up in our faces didn't it.

Sedat's post is spot on.
We were naive and/or in denial to think he wasnt going. We didn't contemplate losing him and therefore didn't even think what we deserve in compensation for him til 5 past midnight.

I want to know how this could happen and if it could happen again.
Have we learnt it pays to cry and whinge yet?

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Bulldogs chief executive Simon Garlick said the key criteria - age and remuneration - pointed to "top echelon" compensation.

"We think a minimum of two first-rounders is appropriate from our perspective," he said.

"We used a first-rounder on him and then put four years of solid development into him.

"He's a 21-year-old who's had a breakout year. He is a 10-year, 200-game player minimum."
source : http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archives...-1226129573267


I'm not sure what else everyone wanted the club to do. I'm not happy about it, but I feel the club did 'sqeak' as much as they could. They went public, said they were not happy. The media picked it up. What else could / should have been done? They were NEVER going to give us two first round picks once their offer was made public. The AFL doesn't back track and you can't blame the club without knowing the full story. Nobody really has any idea how much backroom stuff went on or how hard they tried to get the best deal. I'm sure they tried their best. If anything, I guess they were a bit in denial for most of the season about his intentions. Finally, I wasn't happy that Ward was played against Freo. Royally shafted.

I do remember Garlick saying that. So yes, the club DID "squeak".
But the club should have ROARED, and Railed, and agitated and demanded and harrassed.
They could have grabbed the back page of the Herald Sun and thrown a tantrum. In my opinion that's what they should have done. I also believe there was an appeals process available to challenge the compensation which we chose not to utilise.

As a long time member I was disappointed with the club. I was also disappointed that he was 'allowed' to play that last game.

[Bornadog]

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Maybe they should complained more than once and not 2 seconds before the compensation announcement was made.
It was pretty obvious to everyone he was going well before round 24. The club sat on their hands til after Ward made his departure public.

Eddie said if Pendelbury goes to GWS he will personally put up a tent outside their offices and start working on every single GWS player to sign them up for Collingwood. One by one until he gets adequate compensation. No doubt he will do the same if they try it on Cloke.

We are just pussies when it comes to the AFL

[AndrewP6]

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Eddie said if Pendelbury goes to GWS he will personally put up a tent outside their offices and start working on every single GWS player to sign them up for Collingwood. One by one until he gets adequate compensation. No doubt he will do the same if they try it on Cloke.

We are just pussies when it comes to the AFL

I thought he sounded like a complete w***er when he said those things. I'd be embarrassed if anyone from our club carried on in that way.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I wouldn't

[Topdog]

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I thought he sounded like a complete w***er when he said those things. I'd be embarrassed if anyone from our club carried on in that way.

he did sound like a wanker, a passionate wanker who won't let someone bully him. We sounded very polite and professional. Probably didn't even ask for lube.

[Greystache]

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I thought he sounded like a complete w***er when he said those things. I'd be embarrassed if anyone from our club carried on in that way.

Agreed. He sounded like a bogan preaching to bogans. Rolling out a bunch of rediculous bullshit because you want the ignorant masses to think there are different rules for your club because you're special. I'd be embarrassed if the president of my club served that up, I'd also be insulted that he believed I'm too stupid to not know any better.

[AndrewP6]

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We sounded very polite and professional.

Fine by me.

[LostDoggy]

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Reliance on AFL distributions to survive can't help the clubs management in dealing with these sort of issues. Surely Garlic and co have to tread a little cautiously. Yes it sucks but until our members and supporters pull their fingers out and get behind the club, pushing 35000+ members consistently, only then can I see the Dogs being able to stand up to the AFL on these type of issues.

[Rocco Jones]

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Agreed. He sounded like a bogan preaching to bogans. Rolling out a bunch of rediculous bullshit because you want the ignorant masses to think there are different rules for your club because you're special. I'd be embarrassed if the president of my club served that up, I'd also be insulted that he believed I'm too stupid to not know any better.

Totally with you. Sounds like the PM-in-waiting.

[Bornadog]

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Agreed. He sounded like a bogan preaching to bogans. Rolling out a bunch of rediculous bullshit because you want the ignorant masses to think there are different rules for your club because you're special. I'd be embarrassed if the president of my club served that up, I'd also be insulted that he believed I'm too stupid to not know any better.

Reliance on AFL distributions to survive can't help the clubs management in dealing with these sort of issues. Surely Garlic and co have to tread a little cautiously. Yes it sucks but until our members and supporters pull their fingers out and get behind the club, pushing 35000+ members consistently, only then can I see the Dogs being able to stand up to the AFL on these type of issues.

You know and we will get no where by rolling over and coping it up the proverbial, just like the past 100 years.

Lets continue as we are and don't complain, and get raped and pillaged, lose good players very little compensation and shit stadium deals, no blockbusters and little Free to air and go along our merry way. Let the bigger clubs get the best deals and build their membership base from 30k, 40k, 60k, 70k and eventually hit 10ok and we can be happy we reached 32k at some stage.

Maybe Eddie is a bogan but he stands up for his club and doesn't want to get pushed around.

For once I would like to see some passion from the club leaders and fight for something.