Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

[Bornadog]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Watching Cloke tonight. Very good contested mark but selfish and wasteful also.
Gives away frees and 50s, misses shots when he could go an inside player. Abuses umpires. 50/50

So your not a fan.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Watching Cloke tonight. Very good contested mark but selfish and wasteful also.
Gives away frees and 50s, misses shots when he could go an inside player. Abuses umpires. 50/50

Listen mate, don't care what your problem with all things Collingwood.
But complete utter nonsense that you wouldn't take Cloke

[Remi Moses]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

It's pretty hard to draft well with solid numbers when you have a level of success over a number of years. We played the Elimination Final in 2006, since then we have only missed out on finals once in 2007 (off the top of my head). So we have been a fair way down the pecking order. Everitt was a terrible selection at 11 granted but we have not exactly been blessed with top 10 picks over the past five years. I know that picks between 20-40 have not been great but there is a greater element of risk here. If we had just played a bit crapper bewteen 2006-2010 we'd probably have a good blend now, certainly a number of good players in the 23-24 age bracket.

The problem is we don't have a player left from 06!
Nine players drafted, all Gonski!!A complete disaster

[Hotdog60]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Listen mate, don't care what your problem with all things Collingwood.
But complete utter nonsense that you wouldn't take Cloke

If we look at the bigger picture. Could Cloke hinder the progress of our other forwards, I know he would be a quick fix to a problem but will we become Cloke conscious like we were with Hall.

Yes it will take the heat of Jones and is there room up forward for Cordy or Panos or Hill to have a chance. Will Cloke with a juicy contract still perform in his later years and all that money and the dogs luck could we have a very expensive long term rehab.

No I'm not a fan of Cloke and would like to give chances to our own or find some talent in the draft.

Food for thought.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Listen mate, don't care what your problem with all things Collingwood.
But complete utter nonsense that you wouldn't take Cloke

'mate' in inverted commas right?
Were you watching last night?
You may have noticed a few things. Yes he is a great contested mark. Yes he is very young. Cool.His kicking has improved this season but it's early days. He still travels around 50/50.

Watching last night's game, would you say he's worth over a million a season?
I can name several players who are just as good as him who are earning half of that.
It is complete and utter nonsense that you would write a blank cheque for Cloke.
If the club were knocking on the door of the top four, sure, why not? But we're going to need much more than a key forward to plonk in the square.

[chef]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Howdy Remi. Did you watch last nights game at all?

Are you seriously judging the top contested mark(and 2nd best KPF in the league) in the league on one game?

[Ghost Dog]

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So your not a fan.

I will always remember the story of the blokes who were throwing ice from some apartments above a BBQ Cloke was involved in. Blood was drawn so Cloke and a few others went upstairs to sort it out. A pack of blokes beat the crap out of him. He didn't go outside or appear in public for ages. It's a massive psychological victory to see him playing well on the field and good on him.

But his kicking. His temperament. But finally, his price. If his new method of kicking continues to help him, and he came at the right price, I'd be for it. Barry was a risk in terms of his temper, but he was cheap and slots goals like clockwork.

We have holes appearing in other parts of the ground. Retiring players, Minson, who will be a free agent as well, competition, who will jack the price sky high. I just can't see us getting it done, with Freo and others knocking on his door, and will have to wait to the end of the year to sort out our priorities. Massive challenges coming up with the likely retirement ( next few years ) of Hargrave, Gia, Morris, Cooney, Boyd, Cross, question marks over Williams and other list related issues.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Are you seriously judging the top contested mark(and 2nd best KPF in the league) in the league on one game?

So put a price on him then.
In terms of last night, Not at all. Take a look at his kicking stats. Since 2005. What's the first thing you notice when you compare to Kurk, Jpod or others? Clunks almost as many pointss as Goals. Around 50% is not a great conversion rate for a key forward. Not bad but not outstanding.

So again; how much would you pay for him?
Because we will have to outbid at least 3 other clubs to do it. Any kind of decision depends on what we need at the end of the season. For $1.2 million or whatever it takes - really depends on other demands on our list. Like I said, if we were knocking on the door of a premiership, sure. Take him.

[chef]

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So put a price on him then.
In terms of last night, Not at all. Take a look at his kicking stats. Since 2005. What's the first thing you notice when you compare to Kurk, Jpod or others? Clunks almost as many pointss as Goals. Around 50% is not a great conversion rate for a key forward. Not bad but not outstanding.

So again; how much would you pay for him?
Because we will have to outbid at least 3 other clubs to do it. Any kind of decision depends on what we need at the end of the season. For $1.2 million or whatever it takes - really depends on other demands on our list. Like I said, if we were knocking on the door of a premiership, sure. Take him.

$850-$1mil + third party payments which would be fair enough for a franchise player.

[Remi Moses]

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'mate' in inverted commas right?
Were you watching last night?
You may have noticed a few things. Yes he is a great contested mark. Yes he is very young. Cool.His kicking has improved this season but it's early days. He still travels around 50/50.

Watching last night's game, would you say he's worth over a million a season?
I can name several players who are just as good as him who are earning half of that.
It is complete and utter nonsense that you would write a blank cheque for Cloke.
If the club were knocking on the door of the top four, sure, why not? But we're going to need much more than a key forward to plonk in the square.

Who? The blank cheque is a mil a year, we all know that.
His the best and most imposing forward in the game.yes he misses easy goals, as Buddy does( insert any footballer here)He doesn't plonk in the square, he works very hard .

[chef]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

'mate' in inverted commas right?
Were you watching last night?
You may have noticed a few things. Yes he is a great contested mark. Yes he is very young. Cool.His kicking has improved this season but it's early days. He still travels around 50/50.

Watching last night's game, would you say he's worth over a million a season?
I can name several players who are just as good as him who are earning half of that.
It is complete and utter nonsense that you would write a blank cheque for Cloke.
If the club were knocking on the door of the top four, sure, why not? But we're going to need much more than a key forward to plonk in the square.

Who are these players? and are they available for free.

And do you think Cloke is just plonked in the square?

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Cloke is a gun forward who is in his prime. Without a doubt if we signed him it would be a massive fillip for the Club.

[Bornadog]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

So put a price on him then.
In terms of last night, Not at all. Take a look at his kicking stats. Since 2005. What's the first thing you notice when you compare to Kurk, Jpod or others? Clunks almost as many pointss as Goals. Around 50% is not a great conversion rate for a key forward. Not bad but not outstanding.

So again; how much would you pay for him?
Because we will have to outbid at least 3 other clubs to do it. Any kind of decision depends on what we need at the end of the season. For $1.2 million or whatever it takes - really depends on other demands on our list. Like I said, if we were knocking on the door of a premiership, sure. Take him.

Sorry you are talking Shite. If you have valid reasons for not wanting him such as other posters have put forward then fair enough, but to question his ability you are way off with this one.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Sorry you are talking Shite. If you have valid reasons for not wanting him such as other posters have put forward then fair enough, but to question his ability you are way off with this one.

Valid reason: by the time the bidding war ends, too expensive for where we are at. Why is this not valid?

Oh and by the way....
- is there any excuse for being sworn at on here? mods? Hardly in the spirit of the forum.
Or should we all start talking like we're on Big Footy.
If you want people to respect your views, how about watching your language?
I have a view, and just because you disagree does not mean it is a shit view.


And I don't think other posters need you to defend them do they? Other posters are more than capable of debating their own views.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Would we could we? Free Agency Ponderings #239

Who are these players? and are they available for free.


And do you think Cloke is just plonked in the square?

For A million + a season ? Ok, I'll get back to you on that one.
Free? Not sure what you are on about.

Put up then. How much would you pay for Cloke?
What would be your limit?