The Malthouse Assistant Coach Empire: Over?

[chef]

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Which Scott was under Malthouse? Laidley is still considered a great tactician and IMO wasn't a failure as a coach.

Brad.

[bulldogtragic]

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Brad.

Yep, & Chris was Freo.

[LongWait]

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Which Scott was under Malthouse? Laidley is still considered a great tactician and IMO wasn't a failure as a coach.

Laidley was despised by a good number of the playing group and was perceived within the club as failing abysmally in getting the best out of a number of important players. Laidley took Norf precisely nowhere.

[FrediKanoute]

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Whilst we had a very good season in 1985, Malthouse failed to get us to any other finals in subsequent years. I believe we had the players at the time, but he just didn't have the ability to get them up for many games. I still maintain, we should have won the 1985 prelim, but we were outcoached.

Maybe. 1986 was horrible. Dougie and Allan Daniels do their knees. So too did Mick McLean from memory. Hardie lost form. Jim Edmond was lured North to Sydney (may have been 1987); Les Bamblett got injured and never recovered. There was so much that went wrong in 86 compared to 85, that you can't lay it all at Mick's feet.

[jeemak]

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Laidley was despised by a good number of the playing group and was perceived within the club as failing abysmally in getting the best out of a number of important players. Laidley took Norf precisely nowhere.

I can see that with Laidley, though no coach is perfect. North's biggest issue when Laidley was in charge was that they were extremely ordinary talent wise.

They could push a top four team like us, and beat us when we weren't on our game and didn't work hard enough to move the ball quickly or even get first hands on it in 2008 or thereabouts. But, they just didn't have the talent to perform that way consistently.

Every senior coach has weaknesses, and strengths. Some are very lucky to have very talented players at their disposal which can shield and heighten those respective traits. Others get a lot out of playing lists that aren't that flash.

There's very little question of Laidley's capability as a tactician and a developer of certain types of players.

[Remi Moses]

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Maybe. 1986 was horrible. Dougie and Allan Daniels do their knees. So too did Mick McLean from memory. Hardie lost form. Jim Edmond was lured North to Sydney (may have been 1987); Les Bamblett got injured and never recovered. There was so much that went wrong in 86 compared to 85, that you can't lay it all at Mick's feet.

We lost our captain, we had injuries and teams like Carlton got Kernahan Motley, Bradley . Hawks got Platten in, and we got Tim Gepp.
The club was broke and Malthouse did a great job.
If you think it's tough now even in the salary cap era, just imagine back then.

[jeemak]

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We lost our captain, we had injuries and teams like Carlton got Kernahan Motley, Bradley . Hawks got Platten in, and we got Tim Gepp.
The club was broke and Malthouse did a great job.
If you think it's tough now even in the salary cap era, just imagine back then.

You can understand why teams like Carlton rallied away from equalisation measures like the salary cap, and you can understand why the bigger teams rally away from equalisation efforts now.

There's been discrepancies in zoning, player access and funds from the outset since we joined the competition.

On topic, most coaches fail. Most coaches get pushed when they don't want to leave a club. New coaches come from teams that have had premiership success, or have been close when they were assistants.

The only reason why ex-Collingwood coaches who have become senior coaches are getting the arse now is because Collingwood could pay enough to get the best talent in for assistant roles and that they oversaw Collingwood playing good footy. It doesn't have a lot to do with Malthouse.

[Topdog]

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Laidley was despised by a good number of the playing group and was perceived within the club as failing abysmally in getting the best out of a number of important players. Laidley took Norf precisely nowhere.

How many coaches at North will get the blame before people realise maybe just maybe their players arent very good?

[LongWait]

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How many coaches at North will get the blame before people realise maybe just maybe their players arent very good?

I'm referring to Laidley only - not other coaches and not the quality of the playing group.

Laidley is apparently a prick of a bloke and his personality and the way he related to some players became a huge issue for the whole club. See Watters for an insight as to what Laidley was like.

[Topdog]

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He may be a prick of a bloke but he is a good coach. Man management he may be terrible in, he didnt fail at the Kangas though IMO

[LostDoggy]

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Whilst we had a very good season in 1985, Malthouse failed to get us to any other finals in subsequent years. I believe we had the players at the time, but he just didn't have the ability to get them up for many games. I still maintain, we should have won the 1985 prelim, but we were outcoached.

I agree with you. Never rated Malthouse either. The Eagles had plenty of talent and money to get them to 92 & 94, he took ten years to win a flag with the richest, most resourced, team in the league, fixture on a platter, write your own footy department cheque. And they drew the first Gf before winning it a week later. He doesn't seem to have left Collingwood the healthiest of cultures, and watching Carlton this year it was obvious he's up against it at Visy too. The 2010 flag was his last.

[Twodogs]

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We lost our captain, we had injuries and teams like Carlton got Kernahan Motley, Bradley . Hawks got Platten in, and we got Tim Gepp.

And Tony Macguiness, Murray Rance and Max Crow. Gepp came to us because he was delisted by Richmond but he was a mate of Malthouse-no other club would have bothered with him-Michael Rolfe joined from Richmond that year under the same rule.

The club was broke and Malthouse did a great job.

Malthouse did more than most to help get the club into the financial position it was in. He cant break something then complain because or point to the fact it was broken as a reason he didnt succeed.


Malthouse is the luckiest and most overrated coach in VFL/AFL history. He put himself ahead of the club on several occasions.

[azabob]

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Malthouse did more than most to help get the club into the financial position it was in. He cant break something then complain because or point to the fact it was broken as a reason he didnt .

Are you able to elaborate more ?

[Happy Days]

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And Tony Macguiness, Murray Rance and Max Crow. Gepp came to us because he was delisted by Richmond but he was a mate of Malthouse-no other club would have bothered with him-Michael Rolfe joined from Richmond that year under the same rule.



Malthouse did more than most to help get the club into the financial position it was in. He cant break something then complain because or point to the fact it was broken as a reason he didnt succeed.


Malthouse is the luckiest and most overrated coach in VFL/AFL history. He put himself ahead of the club on several occasions.

Okay so 25 years ago he sold us down the river (maybe, this all pre dates me so I'll take your word for it) but not even 4 years ago he won a premiership, his third one by the way, which is three more than the vast majority of coaches ever will.

You guys are all letting your hatred blind you here.

[Greystache]

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I agree with you. Never rated Malthouse either. The Eagles had plenty of talent and money to get them to 92 & 94, he took ten years to win a flag with the richest, most resourced, team in the league, fixture on a platter, write your own footy department cheque. And they drew the first Gf before winning it a week later. He doesn't seem to have left Collingwood the healthiest of cultures, and watching Carlton this year it was obvious he's up against it at Visy too. The 2010 flag was his last.

Ten years to win a flag at a club that had won 1 in the previous 50 is not fast enough?

If you look at each club and his tenure there it's pretty hard to argue against.

Footscray- 84-89, 6 years 1 preliminary final

West Coast- 90-99, 10 years, 3 grand finals, 2 premierships

Collingwood- 2000-2012- 13 years, 4 grand finals, 1 premiership

You can argue he had a heap of advantages and a host of other things, but those club's he coached only have 2 premierships between them since the 60's and their inception respectively without Malthouse coaching them.