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According to champion data. Comments?
It's certainly not black and white...hey!
It's certainly not black and white...hey!
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You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus -
Re: Cloke is not an elite player
Would have him in my team any time. This is where stats are WRONG.FFC: Established 1883
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
I totally agree with them. He's a good solid forward and you'd be happy to have him. He'd be in the higher bracket of forwards but in a draft scenario you'd take sooky-lala, sooky's cousin, roughy the hawthorn cousin, sydney's brand new nose hose, and maybe sydney's draft tampering forward ahead of him? I would anyway so if elite is top 5% in your position then cloke isn't.
Very good player though.Comment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
I would say he's elite.The curse is dead.Comment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
Elite mark maybe. Definitely one of the best contested marks in the comp. As for his kicking..... His kicking keeps him from elite status for mine. When I think of lockett, dunstall and the like, I see them as elite and I don't think cloke deserves to be elite by comparison.They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
Brian Fantana.Comment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
It's interesting, but based on the way Champion Data determine their elite (based on position) he is up against some quality opposition and it isn't overly surprising he wasn't included.
That being said, he's a pretty handy player and would love to have him at the Dogs.Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?Comment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
What nonsense .The only thing that isn't elite is his kicking.Comment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
How would you classify his kicking....poor, average, good, very good or elite?
I reckon it's average at best which in my mind rules him out of being considered an elite player. I don't think being the best mark in the competition is enough in itself to earn him elite status. As a comparison would you classify Libba as elite on the basis he is the outstanding clearance player in the competition?
I think a number of players have elite attributes without being classified as elite overall.I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.Comment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
It's all a bit relative isn't it? This is a bloke who had some coward, or a group, depending on what you read, attack him on the Sunshine Coast. He had to have facial surgery, so bad was the beating. In 2009, again, an utter coward fired shots through his bedroom window and sent death threats to his sister in the mail.
He overcame this, pulled himself out of his rut many forget about. Elite or not, he's a feared player and a game changer who has had some difficult challenges.
Power to him.Last edited by Ghost Dog; 14-01-2014, 02:46 AM.You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― EpicurusComment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
Out of interest who is in front of him as a forward according to CD?Comment
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Re: Cloke is not an elite player
Counter article
"Last time I checked, a computer has never watched a game of football, never experienced a tight finish to a match and seen the cream rise to the top.
This goes a long way to explaining why, for instance, Jimmy Bartel is not listed as elite."
I daresay Port has very few elite players. Westcoast has a conga line of them. Despite that, very different seasons.Last edited by Ghost Dog; 14-01-2014, 10:10 PM.You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― EpicurusComment
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