Demons ask for priority pick - any other woofers outraged?

[Happy Days]

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"In making the decision, the AFL Commission yesterday noted that Melbourne had:

- A high level of emerging talent, including Jesse Hogan, Jimmy Toumpas, ..."

HAHAHAHAHA oh man. They're not only not letting them off the hook for their terrible drafting, they're shoving it in their face. About time the AFL stopped handing them everything.

Of course, this will all be washed when the bullshit compensation criterion gifts them pick 3 for a gun backman that is such a gun that the worst team ever had to play him forward. But still funny for now.

[josie]

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Is Jimmy Toumpas a poor selection? I wonder if he would thrive in a better culture. He has leg speed from videos I recall in footage prior to draft.

[soupman]

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Is Jimmy Toumpas a poor selection? I wonder if he would thrive in a better culture. He has leg speed from videos I recall in footage prior to draft.

I don't think Melbourne make poor selections so much as they turn selections into poor ones. The players are good when they arrive.

[LostDoggy]

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Is Jimmy Toumpas a poor selection? I wonder if he would thrive in a better culture. He has leg speed from videos I recall in footage prior to draft.

Yes. It is beyond comprehension that they selected him with where the club was/is at. They should have gone a vic based midfielder in Macrae or Wines to avoid the go-home factor.

Speaking to Melbourne mates on the weekend about this who have links inside the club they said that Todd Viney cops shit everyday for this selection. His basis at the time was, apparently, that Viney was good mates with Wines and that he didn't want this friendship continuing at AFL level in the same club.

[mjp]

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Are you guys crazy? At age 18 Toumpas vs Wines wasn't even a conversation. It was Toumpas 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

Todd Viney might cop a hard time for it but no-one would have criticised it at the time...if anything, the general consensus was that Wines was taken too EARLY, not too late.

[LostDoggy]

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Are you guys crazy? At age 18 Toumpas vs Wines wasn't even a conversation. It was Toumpas 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

Todd Viney might cop a hard time for it but no-one would have criticised it at the time...if anything, the general consensus was that Wines was taken too EARLY, not too late.

That's my take on it. With MFC being a prolonged basketcase my opinion would have been to draft VIc-based. It's not as if those players were a massive stretch. If Wines was taken too early - how early was it? Kidding if it was more than a few picks.

[Happy Days]

Re: Demons ask for priority pick - any other woofers outraged?

Are you guys crazy? At age 18 Toumpas vs Wines wasn't even a conversation. It was Toumpas 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

Todd Viney might cop a hard time for it but no-one would have criticised it at the time...if anything, the general consensus was that Wines was taken too EARLY, not too late.

Toumpas has looked terrible ever since he entered the AFL and Wines has been awesome, isn't it the recruiters job to know how players will develop?

[Greystache]

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Are you guys crazy? At age 18 Toumpas vs Wines wasn't even a conversation. It was Toumpas 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

Todd Viney might cop a hard time for it but no-one would have criticised it at the time...if anything, the general consensus was that Wines was taken too EARLY, not too late.

I remember you saying you had serious doubt on Toumpas making it at AFL level. Basically he's a midfielder who couldn't play midfield and relied on getting easy kicks off the HBF.

[mjp]

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I remember you saying you had serious doubt on Toumpas making it at AFL level. Basically he's a midfielder who couldn't play midfield and relied on getting easy kicks off the HBF.

Yes - I said that. But who am I in the large scheme of things?

Criticising Melbourne for taking Toumpas is like criticising GWS for drafting Whitfield. These guys were consensus top picks, AIS, All-Australian etc etc. I hate the group think stuff that impacts on recruiters but at the same time it is hard to criticise a bottom club for just taking the players they believe to be 'the best' when the draft comes around. It is an unbelievable risk for them to take 'someone else' - and there were massive doubts on Wines ability to be more than a slow, (very) inside mid.

When the recruiters go 'against the grain' early in drafts - and Wines was just not thought to be worth pick 2 - they are essentially tattooing 'sack me' on their foreheads if it doesn't work out. One thing I really appreciate about our recruiting staff in the last 2 years is they have really backed themselves in with Stringer, Macrae and Bontempelli...all were pretty risky selections and I doubt I would have had the guts to make them.

[ledge]

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Now I heard anyone is available for trade at Melbourne, but no ones interested in Watts , go figure.
I would take him as a rookie :-) see if you can fix his head then you have a very good footballer, if not he was only a rookie anyway.

[ledge]

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Doesn't make the players more attached to Melbourne if the club say they are all available for trade.. More admittance to stuffing everything up. Need to realise the players aren't the problem and this will
Only make it worse.

[Missing-Dog]

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Now I heard anyone is available for trade at Melbourne, but no ones interested in Watts , go figure.
I would take him as a rookie :-) see if you can fix his head then you have a very good footballer, if not he was only a rookie anyway.

I don't rate Watts at all, but nothing would give me more pleasure than for us to recruit him and turn him into a very good 100 game player for the Bulldogs. Just to stick it up Melbourne.

[Twodogs]

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He has to make it. It would be a waste of such a great name.

Jimmy Toumpas. Toum-pas!

[Topdog]

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One thing I really appreciate about our recruiting staff in the last 2 years is they have really backed themselves in with Stringer, Macrae and Bontempelli...all were pretty risky selections and I doubt I would have had the guts to make them.

Probably even more impressive considering there was the Howard pick before it that they are still being heavily criticised for.

[jeemak]

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I'd take Watts in a heartbeat (if the price was right). Play him through the middle and off half back, and benefit from his foot skills.

He wouldn't be a number draft pick wasted by us, just an ordinary player recruited for a reasonable price expected to perform a role. He and Melbourne are cooked from an expectation versus output point of view. It's time he had a change of scenery.