Liam Jones' First Outing In Carton Colours

[bulldogtragic]

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Yarran could be a goer. If our pick is around 10 and Carltons next is 20. I would like to see if there's a player that makes that downgrade worth it. Yarran and 20 for 10. That would interest them, it would interest me if Carlisle or Talia were Ungetable. Pick 20 a fringe player for May or similar. Kruezer or Luenberger as a free agent. I like the sound of this. Specifically on Yarran, my criticism is he's a down hill skier. But every recent premiership team has one ie. Cyril on one leg last year, Jetta etc. If we are on the climb up the mountain I can live with a down hill skier who would be the fastest on the list, flexible-ish and good by foot who hasn't delivered his potential yet.

Or 10 and Minson for Henderson & Yarran (and a ruck FA). It would allow them to take the compo for Kruezer which could be pick 2 on a 4 year $500,000 offer.

[Ozza]

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It's a good question TBB and I can't really make my mind up. He has talent but lacks heart, he provides great attack but no defence. Watching the way Hunter stood out on the weekend makes me think Yarran wouldn't fit in with the way we want to play as he is now. The big question is do we think we can change him?

Its a very good point you're picking up on regarding Hunter. Perhaps its an early call - given he's only been in for a half a game. But last week I was thinking during the game "Does Hunter really fit into the way we are wanting to play?".

[Bulldog4life]

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Yarran could be a goer. If our pick is around 10 and Carltons next is 20. I would like to see if there's a player that makes that downgrade worth it. Yarran and 20 for 10. That would interest them, it would interest me if Carlisle or Talia were Ungetable. Pick 20 a fringe player for May or similar. Kruezer or Luenberger as a free agent. I like the sound of this. Specifically on Yarran, my criticism is he's a down hill skier. But every recent premiership team has one ie. Cyril on one leg last year, Jetta etc. If we are on the climb up the mountain I can live with a down hill skier who would be the fastest on the list, flexible-ish and good by foot who hasn't delivered his potential yet.

Or 10 and Minson for Henderson & Yarran (and a ruck FA). It would allow them to take the compo for Kruezer which could be pick 2 on a 4 year $500,000 offer.

Good points BT but can the coach live with one down hill skier?

[1eyedog]

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With the ball I agree, but he did good things for the Carlton midfield in his defencive and feeding work. With Judd and Murphy running through there a lot of heavy lifting needed to be done, and he did it well.

Agreed he was a very effective player and saw a lot of ball a few years back. All past tense now however. Like most here I don't really care what Carlton do to be honest but they are stuck in a half-minded rebuild at the moment. Geez the big side struggle to admit they're in rebuild mode.

Carazzo has had a fair year but surely it's time to move him on, it's one thing to put his stats up against another great servant in Cross but against a lot of younger kids in the AFL they are fairly average.

Carlton have to play their kids, they need a major list shake and need to start establishing now which ones are worth holding onto and which ones need to be cut. In this, I understand why Jones got a 6 week stint.

[Ozza]

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Right now, Yarran would be considered by most to be a superior running half back to Johannisen.
Given JJ's improvement this season - if he continues to improve, then Yarran won't be the superior half back for too much longer.
Therefore I don't see a real need to be looking into Yarran. And that even excludes the questions over his attitude.

[bulldogtragic]

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Good points BT but can the coach live with one down hill skier?

I think so in a very good team. Everyone knows my man love for my man Nathan Eagleton. When we were either side of success he was first criticised when we performed poorly, but with a good team around him his run, speed, carry and long kicking were a real weapon. Much like Rioli, Jetta etc are now. History says they might not play the best games in the biggest games, but I think theyre important in winning games through the year and looking at our list elite foot speed is something we lack. Most teams have such a player and I think in a positive, winning environment Yarran's confidence may rise to the top. Under Malthouse he's gone backwards fast and steady. If our recruiters think he hasn't hit his ceiling and that there's a role for him potentially to play I would back that decision at the right price, despite the question marks of inside ball and/or softness and/or skier.

[Bornadog]

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Malthouse standing by Jones despite demotion to VFL

CARLTON coach Mick Malthouse expected Liam Jones to pick up the Blues' forward structures more quickly after the former Western Bulldog was one of six players dropped for Saturday's clash against Greater Western Sydney.


Jones' struggles in front of goal this year were exemplified by a crucial miss late in the final quarter of last weekend's shock loss to Brisbane, when he failed to make the distance from 40 metres out.


The 24-year-old has managed just six goals in his six appearances this year, but Malthouse said Jones' form had not been as bad as had been made out by some critics.

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[bulldogtragic]

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What else can he say? There's 2.5 years left on his contract.

[Maddog37]

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Get Yarran, play him forward, watch him shine.

[Twodogs]

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If he's standing by him does that mean that Mick is off to coach the twos?

[LostDoggy]

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If he's standing by him does that mean that Mick is off to coach the twos?

Kernahan must have sang Mick some advice!

[Remi Moses]

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Right now, Yarran would be considered by most to be a superior running half back to Johannisen.
Given JJ's improvement this season - if he continues to improve, then Yarran won't be the superior half back for too much longer.
Therefore I don't see a real need to be looking into Yarran. And that even excludes the questions over his attitude.

Great post . JJ's trajectory is on the up, and he's similar type to Yarran.
I also hate how happy Yarran looks when they get beat.
The after match love fest annoys me.

[ledge]

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Interesting Jones dropped after 6 games, maybe Carlton are wanting to win a VFL flag now and say "look our kids are coming on like the western bulldogs"

[Sedat]

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Get Yarran, play him forward, watch him shine.

Can he be reprogrammed to be one of the 'Men of Mayhem' in our forward 50?

I'm really torn on Yarran. He has oodles of natural talent and pace, but the modern game demands 2-way intensity. Does he have it in him to improve significantly in this area?

[Twodogs]

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Can he be reprogrammed to be one of the 'Men of Mayhem' in our forward 50?

I'm really torn on Yarran. He has oodles of natural talent and pace, but the modern game demands 2-way intensity. Does he have it in him to improve significantly in this area?

I can't recall a lot of players adding that aspect to their game after as many years in the system as Yarran has been. Then again get him out of his comfort zone at Carlton and into a new environment that will challenge him and he might.