AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

[Throughandthrough]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

The apple hasn't fallen far from the tree

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-20/oliver-banned-for-betting-on-rival-horse/4381346

[Bornadog]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-2...-horse/4381346

Heath Shaw in 2011:

Shaw received an eight-week ban (14 with six suspended) in 2011 for placing a bet.

[Jeanette54]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

I guess this is the sort of thing that happens to a generation who have grown up without consequences to bad/stupid behaviour.

These kids are in an incredibly privileged position, and so many people around them have worked so hard to make sure they have the best possible opportunity in in their football life. The coaches, support staff and club officials, not to mention the supporters and sponsors, must be gutted by the sheer stupidity and self absorption of this action.

This is way beyond the individual/s concerned. It is a black stain on the club.

[LostDoggy]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

Lets wait for the full details to come out and then this young man who has made a mistake will receive his rightful punishment.
This will all be forgotten about before long.

I'm not sure about his mate doing it but it's hardly criminal, 10$ on a NAB cup game doesn't show a lot of malicious intent just serious stupidity.

[Bulldog Joe]

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I really can't believe the vitriol I have read about this.

Lachie Hunter is a young 20 yo who has made an error.

I suggest any among us who did not make any errors in our adolescent/early adult years might now find some time to emerge from the temple they spent those years in.

If, like me, you did make an odd mistake, just reflect on what you learnt from that mistake and find some reason to forgive Lachie rather than have him front a firing squad.

[Maddog37]

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I can't help but feel people are being a little precious about this.

The media are openly questioning the story being told but if it was Saint Nick or Juddy or one of the other golden boys then no one would doubt a word of it and life would move on.

How about we support him rather than hang him out to dry.

[Sedat]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

I really can't believe the vitriol I have read about this.

Lachie Hunter is a young 20 yo who has made an error.

I suggest any among us who did not make any errors in our adolescent/early adult years might now find some time to emerge from the temple they spent those years in.

If, like me, you did make an odd mistake, just reflect on what you learnt from that mistake and find some reason to forgive Lachie rather than have him front a firing squad.

If his story about the VFL listed player using his account without his knowledge corroborates, then I completely agree with you. But if he's been found to have bet against the Dogs in a multi (and lied to cover it up), he is a classic fool of the highest order and deserves every level of punishment and scorn he will end up receiving. I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt until I hear otherwise.

[Topdog]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

I really can't believe the vitriol I have read about this.

Lachie Hunter is a young 20 yo who has made an error.

I suggest any among us who did not make any errors in our adolescent/early adult years might now find some time to emerge from the temple they spent those years in.

If, like me, you did make an odd mistake, just reflect on what you learnt from that mistake and find some reason to forgive Lachie rather than have him front a firing squad.

Sorry but if he placed a bet against his team he should be sacked by the club.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

I really can't believe the vitriol I have read about this.

Lachie Hunter is a young 20 yo who has made an error.

I suggest any among us who did not make any errors in our adolescent/early adult years might now find some time to emerge from the temple they spent those years in.

If, like me, you did make an odd mistake, just reflect on what you learnt from that mistake and find some reason to forgive Lachie rather than have him front a firing squad.

Not sure anyone has claimed some sort of divinity in which to cast a stone of criticism or concern. Only a hypocrite (not saying you) would seek sanctions against Essendon for major infractions and then not apply the same level of scrutiny when someone from our club has a prima facie case of breaching very serious rules/laws of the game.

As it stands Lachie Hunter's betting account has recorded a bet against the Western Bulldogs to win a game. As it stands 30 Essendon players are alleged to have taken substances they claim not to and have no impact of performance. Ryan Crowley as it stands has a B sample with an issue. Age, experience, quality of player or anything is irrelevant. The breach of the code he stands accused of is the most serious betting violation in world sport - betting on your team to lose. I don't recall too much love for international sportsmen accused of betting on their teams to lose.

If there's an out, The AFL have shown themselves willing to always take the easy way out. But Lachie is on the wrong side of the evidence at this point and the actions will cause a lot of damage to our club. But he as a human being, for sure he deserves a second chance. But so does every Essendon player in the gun. Most people deserve forgiveness or a second chance, but in lands of rules and laws that's not always possible.

[Topdog]

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Ok sorry, I should have explained myself better, I was angry when writing. I have nothing against betting and his age group or any legal age group. What I was pissed off about is his father is a professional gambler and surprise surprise so is his son.

Surely he taught him something about life and the responsibility he has in being a professional Footballer.

Is Lachie a professional gambler??
Did his dad not teach him about his responsibilities?
Should the club not do the same?

[Bornadog]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

Is Lachie a professional gambler??
Did his dad not teach him about his responsibilities?
Should the club not do the same?

No
don't know
yes

[Jeanette54]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

I really can't believe the vitriol I have read about this.

..... is a young 20 yo who has made an error.

I suggest any among us who did not make any errors in our adolescent/early adult years might now find some time to emerge from the temple they spent those years in.

If, like me, you did make an odd mistake, just reflect on what you learnt from that mistake and find some reason to forgive Lachie rather than have him front a firing squad.

Of course we all make mistakes, but at that age I was employed by Shell; who regularly made available a code of conduct. The breach of any of which were grounds for instant dismissal. Some of these I thought were pretty trivial at the time, but I wasn't stupid enough to test the limits.

I am sure that the placing of bets on football is well covered in club education.

This action (and I do agree it was in itself trivial) has brought unwanted negative publicity to the club, and IMHO that is not a trivial offense.

[Bulldog4life]

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-20/western-bulldogs-boss-plays-down-afl-betting-investigation/6334894

Western Bulldogs president Peter Gordon has described the initial reaction to the AFL's investigation into two players' betting activities as hysterical.

The AFL is investigating bets placed by a Bulldogs AFL-listed player and VFL-listed player last Saturday afternoon.

Gordon said the investigation needs to be allowed to run its course and that the two players at the centre of the probe may not have committed a breach.

"Don't assume that this is some kind of great bookie robbery type conspiracy," Gordon said on ABC 774 Melbourne on Friday morning.

"This is young men having a bet on Saturday afternoon and something erroneous may have occurred."

Gordon said the two players self-reported their acts and the matter was promptly passed on to the AFL's Integrity Unit that afternoon.

"On the facts that are currently available to the club there may have been no breach by either of those players. Let's let the investigation run its course.

"It is entirely possible that the facts when they are disclosed, that it is nothing like the initial hysterical reaction that came out yesterday."

Gordon said he does not believe there is a problematic gambling culture at the Bulldogs but said betting on horses is popular among the Bulldogs and AFL players in general.

"Betting is endemic to the culture," he said.

"I do not believe there is a particular problem with the Western Bulldogs and I certainly believe our players understand the gaming rules and the betting rules for the AFL."

Gordon does not expect the AFL Integrity Unit's investigation to take long and once completed the club will undertake its own investigation.

[LostDoggy]

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Not a great look and he shouldn't have given access to his account to anyone else. But to conclude he has a sickness is a bit heavy handed on criticism. Not everyone who bets has a problem. He's young, has a high profile job, can't drink for most of year, gets tested for drugs multiple times a year. Don't hang him out to dry for having a betting account as a form of release. Innocent until proven guilty guys!

[Ozza]

Re: AFL to investigate claims some Western Bulldogs players allegedly backed team to lose

I really can't believe the vitriol I have read about this.

Lachie Hunter is a young 20 yo who has made an error.

I suggest any among us who did not make any errors in our adolescent/early adult years might now find some time to emerge from the temple they spent those years in.

If, like me, you did make an odd mistake, just reflect on what you learnt from that mistake and find some reason to forgive Lachie rather than have him front a firing squad.

Good post Bulldog Joe.

Both the vitriol toward Hunter is disproportionate based on what has been reported to date. And the disapproval of and snide remarks towards his father, doesn't sit well at all with me.

Mark Hunter has made his living through racing, both in developing the 'Best Bets' magazine, and in being a professional punter/racing form analyst - which last time I checked - he is perfectly entitled to be as his chosen way to make a living.